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welcome details from the rabbit hole

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I'm your host Midwest my guest today is

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Jeff Jeff is someone who I met just

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yesterday on Twitter I don't know very

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much about him other than that he was

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talking about flat earth and we

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exchanged a few tweets and then I asked

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him if he would be on my podcast I

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basically wanted to just figure out you

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know why he was doing what he was doing

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why was he tweeting about Flat Earth why

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was he getting into these arguments with

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people online about the Flat Earth

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theory he was basically promoting Flat

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Earth so here he is on my podcast we

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start out having a long discussion about

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the Boston Marathon bombing and we get

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into a variety of other topics Jeff

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seems to be a nice guy but I disagree

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with pretty much everything he has to

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say I think it's interesting there that

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we can still have a civil conversation

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even though we have these very

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fundamental disagreements about the way

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Jeff so I cannot wait to talk to you

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because like we had a brief interaction

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on Twitter and you were kind of talking

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with someone else I guess about Flat

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Earth stuff and someone mentioned me

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like in reference to something and I

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kind of got drawn into the conversation

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can you kind of you guys just it's just

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I just might be a very fascinating why

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people get into conversations like that

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can you tell me like a little bit about

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and kind of the background of why you

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were talking about flutter

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in the first place on Twitter sure

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should I go back to the initial starting

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point that yeah let's go back I feel

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like it's a personal you know I've had a

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personal experience and write this

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conspiracy theory so I lived in Boston

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area for almost 20 years of course I was

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in Watertown in 2013 when they had the

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Boston Marathon bombing but the

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aftermath where the shooting took took

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place with the tornado

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yeah the boat right yeah so that

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watertown which is right now Anchorage

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and so I'm my apartment right off the

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main street that takes Watertown to

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Cambridge so I was watching TV and I

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heard the breaking news that the MIT

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police officer was shot and that they're

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on the run and I heard sirens you know

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coming from every direction this was

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around 11:00 at night so I so I went

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outside to people gathered and I've

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asked all police cars from neighboring

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cities like three four cities over so I

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knew you know this was pretty serious

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and there was an individual who came up

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to me asked me if I was familiar with

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the area he was a reporter for the local

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PBS affiliate in Boston and so he had

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heard from his producer where this what

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street this was taking place at and he

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asked if I knew where it was I told him

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I did and he asked if I could get in his

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car and show him oh sure why not no

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we're driving down there and you know

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you could hear it was there's commotion

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everywhere no you know nothing was organ

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Oh barricade set up at that time or

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anything and so we got out of the car

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and you see the police running around

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yelling at people to stay in their house

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is you know we didn't hear any gunshots

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or anything like that that that happened

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previous to our arrival so we're driving

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around and there's barricades set up at

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this point so the police stopped us and

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he showed him his press credentials and

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they told us it was in the staging area

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was at the Watertown mall so we went

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there and this is around midnight and

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people still media started showing up

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point so about an hour later they gave

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they said the Boston Police Commissioner

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make a long story short I was there

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that Friday and around probably noon I

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see a Apache helicopter come land right

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on the Best Buy rooftop

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now this isn't just a state helicopter

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that you know patrols surveilling the

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you know the ground this is military

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helicopter and I couldn't figure out why

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on earth it would be there let alone

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landing on top of a building meantime I

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saw probably 150 police vehicles from as

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far south as the New York Port Authority

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as far north as Maine and you know this

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is early morning so they must be leaving

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you know these are like for our drives

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three four-hour drives so I couldn't

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figure out you know how they you know

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why they need all these people in

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advance if it's just one you know one

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teenager in essence who's based on

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reports didn't have a gun so it just it

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what I thought at the time was there

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must be like an undercover there must be

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like a cell or something that they know

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about and shits about to go down that's

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my you know that was my impression at

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the time so at the time you weren't

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really having like a conspiracy type

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thoughts about well no she just thought

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there was a reasonable explanation over

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time exactly and I'm no I was I was as

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normal as everyone else and then even

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that after that it was still a few years

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before you know I realized and I saw

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these videos that this Australian put

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out I don't know if you know PK truth

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there he's an Australian guy and he does

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a lot of work and he's not a flat

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earther but he you know he does a lot of

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like you know the you know Sandy Hook

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911 things of that nature

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so so finally at the at 3 o'clock in the

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afternoon they called off the shelter in

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place so when I got home I was expecting

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a my apartment door to be busted through

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because I wasn't there to answer and if

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there really is this guy who they're

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pulling you know fifty thousand a

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hundred thousand troops police you know

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all authority then they weren't messing

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around and I got there and not

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and I asked all my neighbors no no

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nobody came to the door now the other

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thing that I didn't understand was we

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were told that all the reporters have to

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be complying to this area and I saw the

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news reports and I saw Anderson Cooper

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live you know shooting footage of you

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know the police going and you know going

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door-to-door and I didn't think it I'm

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like well how come he gets to go you

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know I CNN you know so special alert but

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you know CNN Anderson Cooper former CIA

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operation Mockingbird you know so that

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was something that at the time you

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thought was very suspicious or was it

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something that you you later thought

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because yeah in hindsight why delicious

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right well at the Fred when I saw the

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reports that evening and the live

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footage I just couldn't figure out okay

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well maybe they allow a few you know

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Ruby on the scene because it's you know

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dangerous if they're going door to door

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you know are they for their security but

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then we were instructed not to take any

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video or any pictures of the police now

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is that shouldn't the press have freedom

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to do that I mean I understand security

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but if you're looking for just one you

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know and at the time I thought the only

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possible explanation is he you ran into

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a house that was unlocked and you know

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he has someone hostage yeah there's

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nothing like that especially if you know

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if if he's still on the loose and you're

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taking photographs I'm posting them on

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social media he could be following like

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the hash tags and he could see what the

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police are doing from the outside

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it's kind of like how they don't they

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don't like then use people reporting on

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hostage situations because it gives the

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person inside the building a view from

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outside I don't know maybe that's I can

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understand that but they had no idea

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where he was I mean yeah yeah he didn't

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know where the police are either so

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anyway I just please never go together

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so the boat so so it's interesting about

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the boat right now I'm I believe this

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was all a hoax you know looking back on

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video footage and just you know all the

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you know at the time you know I had no

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idea I just thought you know okay well

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maybe it was a practice in martial law

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it was an excuse for them to practice

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this you know I didn't think anything

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nefarious at the time you know and then

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you look at the you know the story

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behind these guys and it just didn't add

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up why would they wait to the end of the

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race to plant their bombs for maximum

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effort you're gonna get maximum exposure

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sorry

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maximum exposure would be when the

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cameras are rolling you know I don't

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know marathon but anyone can run it so

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they have the professionals come at the

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start of the race and then you know the

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marathon you know the rest was still uh

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it was still pretty dramatic event you

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know even if it wasn't at the start I

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mean it was still alive on TV oh I don't

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think it was no I remember the time

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because I raced it I don't know because

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my my father-in-law was running the race

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and he's like an older guy and hit so he

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was kind of in the back of the pack and

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he was about about ten minutes behind

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the finish line when it happened

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so I think someone in my family was

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still watching some some feed at least

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of it waiting for him to come through if

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they saw it or not but you know

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obviously like as soon as he went off

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people were replaying that thing over

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and over again and we didn't know if he

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was anywhere near the Bonhams when it

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went off it turned out he was about five

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minutes back it was about five min okay

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because they stabbed people

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yeah they snapped every brand they

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corralled everybody off into like a big

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area before they let everybody go

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anywhere so you took him a while for him

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to like yeah find someone with a phone

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and and callers so it was quite a while

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before we got to hear from him it was

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kind of a scary to him mm-hmm

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but yeah I mean you know let your phone

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loss so I can't you know I can't refute

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anything you're saying about that I just

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know that

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just a lot of you know with the flags

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there they got the videos recording and

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you can see everyone kind of gathering

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and you see everything that's just not

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right so you think that do you think

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that the window bombs that went off is

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this so I think you have a life you I

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don't believe it was a bomb I mean the

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joke is it's the Boston firecracker I

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mean it didn't really you know also the

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glass right behind it blew in I blew out

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instead of blowing in the bomb blast

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should have blown the store window in

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words instead of outwards yeah I don't

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know about that but yeah I looked at the

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I looked at the video quite a lot of you

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know what happened and you see people

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with you know what looks like in their

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arms and legs blown off all the likes

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blood and things and you think you think

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that was all staged

273
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ah yes yeah I think they had they had

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people who were pre amputees I guess you

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would call them now you say out of need

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I'm sorry did we post amputees I guess

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it what you're saying the people who

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have already had that yeah I cut off

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anything that they they they faked it

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like they had they had like fake legs

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and then they took the fake legs off and

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put them in their backpacks well you

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won't even see there's no video of them

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standing before you won't find any video

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so to say they took them off I know

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pinatas for the man this is said a

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photos where you can see them standing

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there there was a guy down the street it

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took quite a lot of photographs at the

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time and you can identify a few of the

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people who were there afterwards but so

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you you see the explosion go off on the

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TV from the finish line camera where you

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see the thing off to the right hand side

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and you see the explosion go off and

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then people start running around and

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then it I think it's a it's fairly

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continuous you can kind of match that up

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with the video later and so it's all one

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you know one real event just like it'd

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be very difficult so

302
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cool there's something you know there

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yeah I mean I'm not saying that they

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haven't spent years practicing this I

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mean yeah so you think that the actors

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will be rehearsing it for years to get

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it right maybe not year that the actors

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rehearsing it but the standing the

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planning stages would have had to have

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been they'd have to have rehearsals

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though right yeah so somebody would have

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had to be any kind of setup that matched

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the finish line and like a built in a

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hangar or something and just seemed to

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have a lot of work for for what was the

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actual end result of it well a lot of

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people will say that you know it's like

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with Sandy Hook you know they even

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though it didn't involve guns you know I

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think the note the military and police

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presence

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it was so overarching that I think there

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was this you know element to it that

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maybe they wanted to practice militant

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martial law an exercise in martial law

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maybe that was the end guys so you think

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it's kind of like parts of a larger

328
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endgame thing event well there's a few

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ways I look at it one is I think keeping

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people in constant fear is one of the

331
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motivations as well so if you look at a

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lot of these these mass shootings even

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going back to serial killers from the

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60s and 70s

335
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all these serial killers who would make

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it in the media we're given all these

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names you know like Sena Sam yeah Son of

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Sam the nice in ocula where now they

339
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just disappeared you know they're caught

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I think sort of sounds in jail

341
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oh yeah killer was never caught there

342
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I'm not talking about the Sirico I mean

343
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if I'm meaning I'm referring to the

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whole idea of Sara killers in general oh

345
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I don't have new how come there aren't

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like you know son assailant today you

347
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know and and you know the media has got

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to be must be complicit in all of this

349
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so when you look at like Son of Sam have

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in the Zodiac killer they had this

351
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narrative

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like reporters hey you know it's just

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just like it's kind of do you think it's

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don't you think it's possible that some

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people could be serial killers I mean

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have Charles the old fake or is just

357
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some fake no no I think the ones that

358
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are high-profile out there in the media

359
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you know what's a what's a normal news

360
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cycle right two or three days now of

361
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course if it's serial killer that's

362
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gonna be extended because they haven't

363
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thought but even you know you look at

364
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like the Washington the DC snipers

365
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yeah I was just thinking that is one of

366
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the one that's more recent ones right

367
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and your city and Fiat type thing right

368
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right now is it easier to control

369
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population through fear based methods

370
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what does it what does it do to them

371
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they're like you say you're controlling

372
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them with fear but what would they be

373
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doing if they didn't have this fear what

374
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is it preventing them doing or was it

375
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steering them towards doing uh you mean

376
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the perpetrators know that the public

377
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like you know they this you're saying

378
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though you know the conspiracy or

379
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whoever the people in power are trying

380
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to trying to control people with fear

381
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okay so what are they trying to control

382
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them to do to embrace the government to

383
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look to the government for the users so

384
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they make it the government is the

385
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protector and then yeah

386
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but then with the Boston Marathon

387
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bombing thing you say it's kind of like

388
00:17:16,009 --> 00:17:13,199
they wanted to practice imposition of

389
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martial law so that's kind of like

390
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exactly the next day like they you think

391
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that well it's also it's also same

392
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constant fear based you can't even go to

393
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a race without worrying about you know

394
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some terrorists blowing up you know what

395
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things often you know the other thing

396
00:17:36,769 --> 00:17:34,980
about that is if you look at a pressure

397
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cooker bomb and you probably know about

398
00:17:42,350 --> 00:17:38,760
this this is your area you know physics

399
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and math doesn't it exert an upward

400
00:17:50,180 --> 00:17:46,200
force for sure just legs why why not

401
00:17:50,900 --> 00:17:50,190
arms why not capitation why not you know

402
00:17:53,030 --> 00:17:50,910
I don't

403
00:17:55,100 --> 00:17:53,040
a pressure cookers are specifically

404
00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:55,110
designed so the top doesn't come off if

405
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you look at them they're interlocks with

406
00:18:01,700 --> 00:18:00,240
those flanges so it's it's not

407
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necessarily going to blow the top off

408
00:18:08,540 --> 00:18:05,340
and even if it does blow the pressure

409
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way I think like they yeah obviously I'm

410
00:18:12,410 --> 00:18:10,170
know built a pressure cooker bong myself

411
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but I could tell it like exploding out

412
00:18:16,790 --> 00:18:13,890
sideways because the whole thing is

413
00:18:20,360 --> 00:18:16,800
going to shatter it doesn't just like

414
00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:20,370
you know pop the top off I will all the

415
00:18:25,340 --> 00:18:23,970
betel yeah all the metal shatters I need

416
00:18:26,360 --> 00:18:25,350
to shoots things in all kinds of

417
00:18:28,790 --> 00:18:26,370
different directions because you've got

418
00:18:31,070 --> 00:18:28,800
the sudden incredibly high pressure in

419
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the middle and it's pressing outwards in

420
00:18:35,930 --> 00:18:33,210
every direction and I don't think it's

421
00:18:37,430 --> 00:18:35,940
gonna just go off the top but I don't

422
00:18:41,180 --> 00:18:37,440
know maybe that would be interesting I

423
00:18:44,270 --> 00:18:41,190
mean it's an experiment to try to debunk

424
00:18:46,100 --> 00:18:44,280
this idea I'm not sure how how the

425
00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:46,110
neighbors would take to me building a

426
00:18:50,150 --> 00:18:47,370
pressure cooker bomb though maybe I

427
00:18:53,930 --> 00:18:50,160
could do it small as I didn't even buy

428
00:18:55,370 --> 00:18:53,940
pressure cookers anymore without America

429
00:18:58,160 --> 00:18:55,380
SECAM it's actually they're very popular

430
00:19:00,680 --> 00:18:58,170
nowadays there's the the Esther pot is a

431
00:19:02,870 --> 00:19:00,690
pressure cooker everyone's in there

432
00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:02,880
insta pot stir to cook things and you

433
00:19:07,430 --> 00:19:04,650
can find pressure cookers anywhere it's

434
00:19:09,230 --> 00:19:07,440
not like a you know it's and they didn't

435
00:19:12,290 --> 00:19:09,240
use anything special that use fireworks

436
00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:12,300
which you can still buy so I mean if you

437
00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:15,930
wanted to duplicate it it sure is very

438
00:19:21,170 --> 00:19:18,770
easy to build the pressure cooker bomb

439
00:19:22,670 --> 00:19:21,180
sad that it's definitely easily so it's

440
00:19:23,990 --> 00:19:22,680
good someplace it's almost surprising

441
00:19:26,300 --> 00:19:24,000
you don't see more of these things

442
00:19:30,350 --> 00:19:26,310
because of how easy it is to do to make

443
00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:30,360
simple IEDs eventually but anyway I'm

444
00:19:35,510 --> 00:19:33,690
kind of drifting off topic so you you

445
00:19:37,220 --> 00:19:35,520
were like this was like your kind of I

446
00:19:43,790 --> 00:19:37,230
guess your awakening into this type of

447
00:19:47,630 --> 00:19:43,800
thing there you go yeah so so then where

448
00:19:50,570 --> 00:19:47,640
I we're truly hit me was the Orlando

449
00:19:53,390 --> 00:19:50,580
pulse shooting okay the night AB the

450
00:19:56,450 --> 00:19:53,400
other night where they show up where

451
00:19:59,510 --> 00:19:56,460
they showed the the victims being

452
00:20:01,220 --> 00:19:59,520
brought towards the bar at the club as

453
00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:01,230
opposed to away from it now if there's

454
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gunfire raging and then there's a video

455
00:20:07,130 --> 00:20:04,710
you see they're holding up

456
00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:07,140
a guy and right in front of the camera

457
00:20:11,570 --> 00:20:09,090
and they think the cameras not looking

458
00:20:15,500 --> 00:20:11,580
anymore but it is and they let him go

459
00:20:18,980 --> 00:20:15,510
when he's just walking away now I mean

460
00:20:21,590 --> 00:20:18,990
so anyways that was I don't either going

461
00:20:23,900 --> 00:20:21,600
to Albany that's he's interesting there

462
00:20:26,390 --> 00:20:23,910
Blake when you saw these things there's

463
00:20:28,340 --> 00:20:26,400
you know suspicious bits of video were

464
00:20:29,660 --> 00:20:28,350
they things that you saw yourself was

465
00:20:31,100 --> 00:20:29,670
watching TV and you thought oh that's

466
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:31,110
suspicious or were there things that you

467
00:20:34,610 --> 00:20:32,970
saw later on YouTube where someone else

468
00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:34,620
pointed out that they were suspicious

469
00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:39,450
now one I saw on YouTube an axe actually

470
00:20:47,360 --> 00:20:42,410
by the same guy pique

471
00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:47,370
yeah he did the yeah actually I don't

472
00:20:51,620 --> 00:20:49,170
know who knows what you can believe but

473
00:20:55,460 --> 00:20:51,630
supposedly the Melbourne police came and

474
00:20:58,730 --> 00:20:55,470
arrested him and as he was exposing this

475
00:21:02,900 --> 00:20:58,740
Melbourne shooting or not a shooting but

476
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:02,910
a car car running over people like a

477
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:04,290
truck attack type thing

478
00:21:09,830 --> 00:21:07,410
oh yeah well it was our talk just a car

479
00:21:12,230 --> 00:21:09,840
yeah this but there are a lot of things

480
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:12,240
I see myself now I think what you do is

481
00:21:16,940 --> 00:21:14,610
once you create this foundation you know

482
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:16,950
what to look for all the signs all the

483
00:21:21,470 --> 00:21:19,410
symbols they keep popping up all the

484
00:21:24,500 --> 00:21:21,480
same things and I think a lot of it is

485
00:21:27,170 --> 00:21:24,510
based on the concept of duality like the

486
00:21:29,780 --> 00:21:27,180
Freemasons are obviously in my opinion a

487
00:21:32,060 --> 00:21:29,790
big part of it and so what they do is

488
00:21:34,610 --> 00:21:32,070
basically opposites right so when he was

489
00:21:36,380 --> 00:21:34,620
found on a boat let's see go back to his

490
00:21:39,710 --> 00:21:36,390
are Nayef he was found on a quote

491
00:21:41,810 --> 00:21:39,720
inshore on shore you know hmm

492
00:21:44,930 --> 00:21:41,820
so that you think that's like they did

493
00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:44,940
that deliberately uh yeah yeah I think a

494
00:21:51,770 --> 00:21:48,480
lot of this like Robbie Parker that that

495
00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:51,780
wouldn't be he was told to do that he

496
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:54,240
just does laughing and then just thread

497
00:21:58,340 --> 00:21:57,090
the rubbery parka thing is like the

498
00:22:01,520 --> 00:21:58,350
father of one of the kids who have

499
00:22:03,650 --> 00:22:01,530
killed at Sandy Hook and at the memorial

500
00:22:06,020 --> 00:22:03,660
service he was seeing like kind of

501
00:22:07,550 --> 00:22:06,030
joking before he went on camera and then

502
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:07,560
when he came up and talked to the press

503
00:22:13,730 --> 00:22:11,850
then he was kind of you know much more

504
00:22:17,450 --> 00:22:13,740
emotional and people thought this was

505
00:22:18,259 --> 00:22:17,460
very incongruous and you know it wasn't

506
00:22:20,690 --> 00:22:18,269
during them

507
00:22:23,570 --> 00:22:20,700
Oriol it was either that same night or

508
00:22:25,459 --> 00:22:23,580
the following night I camera one of the

509
00:22:26,859 --> 00:22:25,469
two it was at the press conference that

510
00:22:29,329 --> 00:22:26,869
wasn't it that was a press conference

511
00:22:31,849 --> 00:22:29,339
came out of the building he's laughing

512
00:22:33,709 --> 00:22:31,859
you smile and I didn't he was this the

513
00:22:36,109 --> 00:22:33,719
same manage I'll have to check that so

514
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:36,119
why did at the at the latest it was the

515
00:22:42,469 --> 00:22:39,690
night after which is still I mean my

516
00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:42,479
brother's son committed suicide in

517
00:22:46,609 --> 00:22:44,159
February and I don't think I've seen him

518
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:46,619
smile since then you know and of course

519
00:22:52,039 --> 00:22:48,570
people react differently say that that's

520
00:22:54,529 --> 00:22:52,049
the justification but I I just I don't

521
00:22:59,389 --> 00:22:54,539
know and then you see all the doctored

522
00:23:01,159 --> 00:22:59,399
photos of his of his children and I've

523
00:23:02,959 --> 00:23:01,169
looked to it you know things that people

524
00:23:04,639 --> 00:23:02,969
claim to be doctored photos because

525
00:23:08,299 --> 00:23:04,649
asking one of the things I do on on my

526
00:23:09,859 --> 00:23:08,309
site is I look at photos people claim to

527
00:23:11,719 --> 00:23:09,869
be things like ghosts and things like

528
00:23:13,549 --> 00:23:11,729
that and so I I do a lot of image

529
00:23:16,999 --> 00:23:13,559
analysis and I haven't really found

530
00:23:19,249 --> 00:23:17,009
anything really suspicious in the photos

531
00:23:20,989 --> 00:23:19,259
of the Sandy Hook children I actually

532
00:23:24,249 --> 00:23:20,999
got banned on one of your meta bunk

533
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:24,259
threads oh really about the the Roy

534
00:23:32,419 --> 00:23:25,440
bathroom

535
00:23:34,969 --> 00:23:32,429
with the 15 children all right no I do

536
00:23:36,859 --> 00:23:34,979
remember that yeah yeah one of the or

537
00:23:39,529 --> 00:23:36,869
the moderators the other moderators that

538
00:23:41,199 --> 00:23:39,539
Deirdre she's more of an expert in the

539
00:23:47,419 --> 00:23:41,209
Sandy Hook stuff so I usually let her

540
00:23:50,209 --> 00:23:47,429
handle that but yeah I think so

541
00:23:51,919 --> 00:23:50,219
yeah what were you talking about the oh

542
00:23:55,549 --> 00:23:51,929
yeah Robbie Parker I thought like I

543
00:23:58,009 --> 00:23:55,559
searched your Twitter handle and your

544
00:23:59,869 --> 00:23:58,019
previous Twitter name was something like

545
00:24:02,839 --> 00:23:59,879
Robbie Parker or something like that

546
00:24:05,239 --> 00:24:02,849
what Robbie the crisis actor oh yeah

547
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:05,249
yeah yeah yeah I don't know that one

548
00:24:10,399 --> 00:24:07,440
well you know how does a Twitter right

549
00:24:11,959 --> 00:24:10,409
they ban you for you don't doesn't take

550
00:24:13,789 --> 00:24:11,969
much when you're going back and forth

551
00:24:16,699 --> 00:24:13,799
yeah yeah and they started clamping down

552
00:24:19,099 --> 00:24:16,709
lower on things like right I never I

553
00:24:22,759 --> 00:24:19,109
never use multiple twit I have a backup

554
00:24:24,859 --> 00:24:22,769
Twitter account so I never used to at

555
00:24:28,609 --> 00:24:24,869
the same time but I think what you're

556
00:24:30,379 --> 00:24:28,619
referring to might be is my current same

557
00:24:31,409 --> 00:24:30,389
accounts but you changed the name like

558
00:24:34,049 --> 00:24:31,419
the user than I am

559
00:24:36,979 --> 00:24:34,059
okay cuz you know you know the lol guy

560
00:24:41,039 --> 00:24:36,989
now yeah you know for that guy is right

561
00:24:43,519 --> 00:24:41,049
no I'm not a meme he was no he was from

562
00:24:46,049 --> 00:24:43,529
that he was that that pulse shooting oh

563
00:24:49,859 --> 00:24:46,059
he was in the background just laughing

564
00:24:54,539 --> 00:24:49,869
the entire time if you google I'll check

565
00:24:56,489 --> 00:24:54,549
it out yeah so I was interested that it

566
00:24:59,310 --> 00:24:56,499
really just didn't know this this idea

567
00:25:01,889 --> 00:24:59,320
of the duality in a way it seems like a

568
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:01,899
bit of a strange leap for me and - I

569
00:25:06,989 --> 00:25:03,369
don't almost like the occult or

570
00:25:09,449 --> 00:25:06,999
something is it it's something that what

571
00:25:12,569 --> 00:25:09,459
does it mean this duality and why is why

572
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:12,579
are the perpetrators putting out this

573
00:25:17,369 --> 00:25:15,369
like you know opposites is there a

574
00:25:20,159 --> 00:25:17,379
purpose to it was there just symbolic so

575
00:25:24,060 --> 00:25:20,169
I think I think a large part is if is

576
00:25:27,719 --> 00:25:24,070
they want to create opposition to God's

577
00:25:30,869 --> 00:25:27,729
Word so if you look at like evolution

578
00:25:32,819 --> 00:25:30,879
and if you look at and you'll admit the

579
00:25:37,049 --> 00:25:32,829
Freemasons were involved in

580
00:25:40,399 --> 00:25:37,059
heliocentrism and evolution in am a mean

581
00:25:43,859 --> 00:25:40,409
you know the Royal Royal Society

582
00:25:48,659 --> 00:25:43,869
so so what I believe is that they they

583
00:25:50,849 --> 00:25:48,669
believe in achieving a balance right so

584
00:25:54,239 --> 00:25:50,859
in order to have the rich you need to

585
00:25:57,779 --> 00:25:54,249
have the poor in order to have you know

586
00:26:00,060 --> 00:25:57,789
in order to have happiness there needs

587
00:26:03,209 --> 00:26:00,070
to be misery and they think this creates

588
00:26:05,549 --> 00:26:03,219
a balance in that you know how the how

589
00:26:08,369 --> 00:26:05,559
the world should is in the horrific harm

590
00:26:10,829 --> 00:26:08,379
against in opposition balancing thing

591
00:26:13,049 --> 00:26:10,839
right now it's and that's and so you

592
00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:13,059
look do you personally now look for

593
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:14,559
things like that on TV when you're

594
00:26:21,449 --> 00:26:17,279
watching the events and you try to spots

595
00:26:22,859 --> 00:26:21,459
that type of thing yeah yeah

596
00:26:25,709 --> 00:26:22,869
in fact that's really the only reason I

597
00:26:28,339 --> 00:26:25,719
watch TV anymore isn't it try to see if

598
00:26:32,940 --> 00:26:28,349
I can uncover you know any

599
00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:32,950
suspiciousness wha it's uh you know it's

600
00:26:37,229 --> 00:26:35,289
like and it's like with the you know

601
00:26:40,019 --> 00:26:37,239
back to the duality with the poles you

602
00:26:42,089 --> 00:26:40,029
know they're taking them to the club as

603
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:42,099
opposed to taking the injured away from

604
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:43,690
the crowd so you don't think that was

605
00:26:45,740 --> 00:26:44,640
just

606
00:26:47,300 --> 00:26:45,750
I don't know though I think that was the

607
00:26:49,390 --> 00:26:47,310
crisis actors getting things wrong you

608
00:26:52,850 --> 00:26:49,400
think they did it not deliberately

609
00:26:55,610 --> 00:26:52,860
literally deliberately yeah I think that

610
00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:55,620
because i think i think that they maybe

611
00:27:00,440 --> 00:26:58,050
feel like okay we have to give some

612
00:27:04,550 --> 00:27:00,450
truth in plain sight you know we have to

613
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:04,560
show in order in order to you know make

614
00:27:11,390 --> 00:27:07,850
just have them justify their actions i

615
00:27:13,460 --> 00:27:11,400
think you know it's some weird like

616
00:27:16,130 --> 00:27:13,470
honor code even though they're deceptive

617
00:27:17,930 --> 00:27:16,140
it's just so you did yak I've kind of

618
00:27:20,930 --> 00:27:17,940
heard before like people say that the

619
00:27:23,870 --> 00:27:20,940
Illuminati who ever have to include

620
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:23,880
clues when they're doing things almost

621
00:27:27,620 --> 00:27:25,440
like they're laughing in your face or

622
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:27,630
just some kind of you know they have to

623
00:27:33,410 --> 00:27:30,450
yeah I have some truth in there I think

624
00:27:35,570 --> 00:27:33,420
it's a combination of mockery and having

625
00:27:37,220 --> 00:27:35,580
to I mean that is their model tooth

626
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:37,230
hidden in plain sight right I mean

627
00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:40,770
that's a I don't know it sounds pretty

628
00:27:46,250 --> 00:27:43,200
weird to me but back to the Illuminati

629
00:27:48,590 --> 00:27:46,260
yeah you know who you know who started

630
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:48,600
that that was a free man uh Vice bout

631
00:27:57,650 --> 00:27:54,090
something right yeah yeah yes yeah so he

632
00:27:59,660 --> 00:27:57,660
was a freemason and he started this the

633
00:28:01,760 --> 00:27:59,670
Illuminati but he was still of herbaria

634
00:28:04,370 --> 00:28:01,770
this is like in the 1700s wasn't it in

635
00:28:07,580 --> 00:28:04,380
the area late right around the time of

636
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:07,590
the American Revolution because a lot of

637
00:28:12,410 --> 00:28:09,570
people suspect that you know that was a

638
00:28:14,090 --> 00:28:12,420
prelude to the revolution and the

639
00:28:18,140 --> 00:28:14,100
American Revolution since they both

640
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:18,150
happened within that time span but so

641
00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:20,640
what I think is that is all you hear in

642
00:28:25,940 --> 00:28:23,840
the Illuminati right in the main stream

643
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:25,950
rappers always talk about the Illuminati

644
00:28:31,700 --> 00:28:29,130
in their in their lyrics yeah I kind of

645
00:28:33,500 --> 00:28:31,710
think that now is you know my personal

646
00:28:35,540 --> 00:28:33,510
view on that is that I think it's it's

647
00:28:38,030 --> 00:28:35,550
kind of like a joke in a way it's like

648
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:38,040
you know people joking about aliens and

649
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:39,600
then people joke about the ear mulata

650
00:28:44,270 --> 00:28:41,730
any ideas a little you know a little

651
00:28:46,190 --> 00:28:44,280
triangle signs and stuff but it's why

652
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:46,200
it's like you know like rockers use the

653
00:28:51,470 --> 00:28:49,440
like here that the the horn sign yeah

654
00:28:53,810 --> 00:28:51,480
people think that's the horns but the

655
00:28:55,490 --> 00:28:53,820
devil doesn't have horns yeah I mean

656
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:55,500
it's just like people going yeah yeah

657
00:29:00,270 --> 00:28:57,610
right heavy metal or whatever

658
00:29:02,700 --> 00:29:00,280
basically it's like the 666 with Trump

659
00:29:05,970 --> 00:29:02,710
now everybody does it everybody does

660
00:29:07,140 --> 00:29:05,980
that's hand supposed to be white power

661
00:29:09,330 --> 00:29:07,150
or something isn't it

662
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:09,340
no they probably they probably

663
00:29:16,620 --> 00:29:12,370
manipulated it too to think that but W

664
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:16,630
in E and yeah that's I don't believe

665
00:29:22,410 --> 00:29:18,250
that I just it doesn't make sense

666
00:29:24,210 --> 00:29:22,420
because Y if that was the case then why

667
00:29:25,980 --> 00:29:24,220
is everyone using it right why is you

668
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:25,990
doing using a weight if you say they

669
00:29:29,910 --> 00:29:27,130
they're ignorant and they don't

670
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:29,920
understand well there's no what the

671
00:29:35,550 --> 00:29:32,080
media school well Frank you think it's

672
00:29:38,220 --> 00:29:35,560
like a sign language thing it means it

673
00:29:39,660 --> 00:29:38,230
means like right it means I think it's

674
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:39,670
like I love you with one hand I think

675
00:29:45,420 --> 00:29:41,170
like it's because it combines all the

676
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:45,430
letters higher i io l.o.v.e into one one

677
00:29:49,050 --> 00:29:47,170
sign but then if you made me do it the

678
00:29:50,550 --> 00:29:49,060
other way i don't know i can't remember

679
00:29:52,770 --> 00:29:50,560
all the other things but like there was

680
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:52,780
obviously there was there's a big thing

681
00:29:55,530 --> 00:29:53,890
in the media where they said that the

682
00:29:58,170 --> 00:29:55,540
police were flashing white power signs

683
00:30:01,080 --> 00:29:58,180
and stuff and so you think this what did

684
00:30:04,980 --> 00:30:01,090
you say this was like wall - the

685
00:30:06,780 --> 00:30:04,990
representation of 666 so you see - yeah

686
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:06,790
yeah I see what you're saying like a six

687
00:30:11,850 --> 00:30:09,450
and then the two tails

688
00:30:15,180 --> 00:30:11,860
Nannan heard that one yeah if you look

689
00:30:18,750 --> 00:30:15,190
at the gold Google logo you it's it's

690
00:30:20,940 --> 00:30:18,760
very similar has 666 in the circle and

691
00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:20,950
then some people speculate it has the

692
00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:23,110
flat earth map in the middle because it

693
00:30:29,970 --> 00:30:26,320
has the white the white border with the

694
00:30:31,260 --> 00:30:29,980
blue water inside all right so you think

695
00:30:34,860 --> 00:30:31,270
like you know this this is obviously

696
00:30:38,970 --> 00:30:34,870
some kind of satanic symbolism do you

697
00:30:43,530 --> 00:30:38,980
think this these people the other manasa

698
00:30:45,570 --> 00:30:43,540
I are Satanists well if you see I don't

699
00:30:49,020 --> 00:30:45,580
even think the Illuminati is legitimate

700
00:30:50,670 --> 00:30:49,030
I think it was a created it was a it was

701
00:30:51,420 --> 00:30:50,680
created to provide cover for the

702
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:51,430
Freemasons

703
00:30:59,370 --> 00:30:56,770
who the ultimate power is in the world

704
00:31:03,540 --> 00:30:59,380
you you say it's like a secret order of

705
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:03,550
pre Masons I'd say it's Jesuits Vatican

706
00:31:07,890 --> 00:31:05,290
is Freemason somewhere in there

707
00:31:09,330 --> 00:31:07,900
somewhere those three if you look at

708
00:31:10,770 --> 00:31:09,340
this if you look at all the symbols if

709
00:31:11,250 --> 00:31:10,780
you look at the Vatican they have the

710
00:31:14,790 --> 00:31:11,260
black and

711
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:14,800
white floorboard checkerboard floor

712
00:31:19,530 --> 00:31:17,290
throughout the mat just like they have

713
00:31:24,620 --> 00:31:19,540
in the lodges just like they have in the

714
00:31:27,270 --> 00:31:24,630
Catholic cathedrals notre dam st. Paul's

715
00:31:28,890 --> 00:31:27,280
so that's the other thing is you can

716
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:28,900
identify these symbols and you keep

717
00:31:34,140 --> 00:31:31,930
seeing them recur and you know like okay

718
00:31:36,030 --> 00:31:34,150
well is there no other design these

719
00:31:38,150 --> 00:31:36,040
people can come up with are they do they

720
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:38,160
don't do they not have originality

721
00:31:42,990 --> 00:31:41,050
so I guess checkerboard floors are a

722
00:31:45,510 --> 00:31:43,000
kind of a common designer checkerboard

723
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:45,520
flaws in hang cathedrals I think to a

724
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:47,050
lot of cathedrals so I have been to like

725
00:31:51,180 --> 00:31:48,970
not your Dam and st. Paul's and places

726
00:31:53,490 --> 00:31:51,190
like that hey I I can't say I remember

727
00:31:57,750 --> 00:31:53,500
the floors as I remember they were

728
00:31:59,610 --> 00:31:57,760
mostly kind of stone slabs maybe like at

729
00:32:02,930 --> 00:31:59,620
the front of the Cathedral there might

730
00:32:04,670 --> 00:32:02,940
have been the technically parquetry or

731
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:04,680
marquetry

732
00:32:09,570 --> 00:32:07,090
patterns on the floor anyway but so you

733
00:32:12,350 --> 00:32:09,580
think there's this this thread tying

734
00:32:16,860 --> 00:32:12,360
together Jesuits the Vatican and

735
00:32:18,660 --> 00:32:16,870
Freemasons yes the Jesuits who are the

736
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:18,670
Jesuits is that that the like just a

737
00:32:23,940 --> 00:32:21,760
religious order or the bloke there well

738
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:23,950
the Jesuits founded Washington DC carry

739
00:32:34,140 --> 00:32:30,370
you know John Carroll okay so okay so

740
00:32:35,610 --> 00:32:34,150
oh yeah American history 25 years I know

741
00:32:38,340 --> 00:32:35,620
but I didn't ask you that on the

742
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:38,350
citizenship test sir well you've heard

743
00:32:42,030 --> 00:32:41,290
about the triumvirate of power the three

744
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:42,040
city-states

745
00:32:46,410 --> 00:32:44,650
Vatican City of London and Washington DC

746
00:32:50,430 --> 00:32:46,420
yeah yeah I think I've heard that yeah

747
00:32:52,290 --> 00:32:50,440
yeah so those were all I mean they all

748
00:32:56,700 --> 00:32:52,300
have the same they have the obelisk in

749
00:32:59,100 --> 00:32:56,710
front of the dome building you know the

750
00:33:00,990 --> 00:32:59,110
Queen has to ask permission to enter the

751
00:33:03,540 --> 00:33:01,000
City of London so who has the power

752
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:03,550
there you know City of London's all

753
00:33:08,100 --> 00:33:05,760
banks it's it's you know there's more

754
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:08,110
American banks the City of London then

755
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:10,890
there are Wall Street I believe I heard

756
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:14,730
so you know you got the Rothschild and I

757
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:18,570
mean Rothschilds to go back to 1700 and

758
00:33:22,740 --> 00:33:21,130
say you've got like you know you you

759
00:33:24,430 --> 00:33:22,750
kind of seemed like you've got this

760
00:33:26,770 --> 00:33:24,440
fairly good idea in your head

761
00:33:28,660 --> 00:33:26,780
of you know how the world works or at

762
00:33:31,540 --> 00:33:28,670
least how the power structure works is

763
00:33:34,330 --> 00:33:31,550
this something that you came from

764
00:33:37,470 --> 00:33:34,340
specific like books that you read or of

765
00:33:39,850 --> 00:33:37,480
specific people like like the PK guy oh

766
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:39,860
yeah you know who was very instrumental

767
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:42,490
was Russian vids

768
00:33:49,410 --> 00:33:45,770
I have seen Russian bids I didn't

769
00:33:53,740 --> 00:33:49,420
realize a lot but yes does the

770
00:33:58,420 --> 00:33:53,750
freemasons yeah did you ever see the

771
00:34:00,250 --> 00:33:58,430
zeitgeist movie no I didn't curse - yeah

772
00:34:02,230 --> 00:34:00,260
it's just he's gonna have an old 9/11

773
00:34:05,770 --> 00:34:02,240
truth video but it also contains lice

774
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:05,780
and stuff like Bank of America the

775
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:09,040
Federal Reserve type stuff and some

776
00:34:13,060 --> 00:34:11,330
religious symbolism sighs the only if

777
00:34:22,240 --> 00:34:13,070
that might be influential in your

778
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:22,250
thinking Russian bins no the no I I mean

779
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:24,290
i what I and since I've learned is what

780
00:34:30,700 --> 00:34:26,330
I like to do is research and I go back

781
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:30,710
to I actually revert ooh Flat Earth just

782
00:34:37,720 --> 00:34:35,450
briefly I you know I kept hearing nights

783
00:34:39,610 --> 00:34:37,730
that Columbus everyone says well I

784
00:34:41,980 --> 00:34:39,620
remember being taught that Columbus

785
00:34:45,820 --> 00:34:41,990
discovered that the earth was round now

786
00:34:48,220 --> 00:34:45,830
I went to a Catholic a flick I went to

787
00:34:50,380 --> 00:34:48,230
Catholic school for most of my life

788
00:34:54,820 --> 00:34:50,390
except for college I went to public

789
00:34:57,370 --> 00:34:54,830
university and you know we were taught

790
00:34:59,140 --> 00:34:57,380
Columbus discovered America the longest

791
00:35:01,630 --> 00:34:59,150
discovered the world around you can look

792
00:35:03,940 --> 00:35:01,640
up cartoons from the 60s and 70s where

793
00:35:05,110 --> 00:35:03,950
everyone says Columbus's nuts for

794
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:05,120
thinking the world is round

795
00:35:09,940 --> 00:35:07,760
hmm so you know and then they tell us

796
00:35:12,220 --> 00:35:09,950
well we go back 1,500 years and it was

797
00:35:15,460 --> 00:35:12,230
proven it was around 1500 years before

798
00:35:18,130 --> 00:35:15,470
this time now that's a long time now if

799
00:35:21,730 --> 00:35:18,140
it was common knowledge that the earth

800
00:35:24,130 --> 00:35:21,740
was round then why is there this so much

801
00:35:26,140 --> 00:35:24,140
I don't know if it's misinformation it's

802
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:26,150
probably this is the it's an interesting

803
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:29,210
this interesting story behind that the

804
00:35:35,710 --> 00:35:31,610
whole Columbus thinking the earth was

805
00:35:37,350 --> 00:35:35,720
flat story comes down to like one guy I

806
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:37,360
think

807
00:35:41,130 --> 00:35:39,490
if the guy who wrote Sleepy Hollow I

808
00:35:43,890 --> 00:35:41,140
mean just look at her be quick sir

809
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:43,900
Irving oh yeah Irving Washington Irving

810
00:35:48,260 --> 00:35:45,970
why should you nervous yeah yeah okay so

811
00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:48,270
he wrote he wrote like a history of

812
00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:51,730
Columbus in which he said that Columbus

813
00:35:55,550 --> 00:35:53,200
thought the earth was flat and this was

814
00:35:58,560 --> 00:35:55,560
kind of like the first anybody had ever

815
00:35:59,520 --> 00:35:58,570
you know written about this and somehow

816
00:36:01,680 --> 00:35:59,530
it kind of caught the popular

817
00:36:04,740 --> 00:36:01,690
imagination and it was this very popular

818
00:36:07,170 --> 00:36:04,750
work that he he wrote and all the

819
00:36:09,390 --> 00:36:07,180
misconceptions that go to the current

820
00:36:11,790 --> 00:36:09,400
day all day back to just this one book

821
00:36:13,020 --> 00:36:11,800
by Washington Irving but before that no

822
00:36:14,460 --> 00:36:13,030
one ever thought that you know he

823
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:14,470
thought the world was flat and at the

824
00:36:20,730 --> 00:36:16,800
time you know the contemporary accounts

825
00:36:22,410 --> 00:36:20,740
thought basically he he thought the

826
00:36:25,110 --> 00:36:22,420
earth was round and the reason he was

827
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:25,120
going to the West was he thought it

828
00:36:30,450 --> 00:36:27,010
would be a quicker way of getting to

829
00:36:31,740 --> 00:36:30,460
India or to the Middle East so he could

830
00:36:34,140 --> 00:36:31,750
go around the other side of the world

831
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:34,150
but he just miscalculated the size of

832
00:36:39,420 --> 00:36:36,450
the world he thought it was smaller but

833
00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:39,430
wasn't this wasn't the circumference

834
00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:42,640
proven by Aristophanes back in for 4th

835
00:36:46,530 --> 00:36:45,520
century BC 15th century he well I

836
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:46,540
wouldn't say was proven where it was

837
00:36:49,590 --> 00:36:47,890
calculated but yeah I think it was that

838
00:36:51,900 --> 00:36:49,600
the navigation like he didn't know where

839
00:36:53,850 --> 00:36:51,910
things were exactly so he didn't know

840
00:36:56,430 --> 00:36:53,860
how far away China was in that direction

841
00:36:58,740 --> 00:36:56,440
and how far things were in that way and

842
00:37:01,440 --> 00:36:58,750
where you can go up on art so he he

843
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:01,450
miscalculated how far it would be to get

844
00:37:06,060 --> 00:37:04,930
to the India that's why the West Indies

845
00:37:09,020 --> 00:37:06,070
are called the West Indies because they

846
00:37:14,070 --> 00:37:09,030
thought it was India they were ending up

847
00:37:16,530 --> 00:37:14,080
yeah I heard voices for yeah it was they

848
00:37:17,850 --> 00:37:16,540
never thought I was flat and they uses

849
00:37:19,770 --> 00:37:17,860
getting less steel navigation which

850
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:19,780
requires the earth to be round for it to

851
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:23,410
actually work okay so then what about

852
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:25,450
the Phoenicians before they knew the

853
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:27,370
earth was round how did they sail all

854
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:29,520
the way up through the Horn of Africa

855
00:37:36,540 --> 00:37:34,810
over to I think the Atlantic another

856
00:37:38,370 --> 00:37:36,550
thing well if you're sailing around the

857
00:37:41,100 --> 00:37:38,380
coast it's fairly easy you just keep the

858
00:37:43,350 --> 00:37:41,110
coast in sight that's the thing okay

859
00:37:44,670 --> 00:37:43,360
navigation by boat it's fairly

860
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:44,680
straightforward if you can always see

861
00:37:50,580 --> 00:37:47,530
the land so okay trade routes that would

862
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:50,590
follow the coastlines and

863
00:37:53,370 --> 00:37:51,850
took a lot longer before you could

864
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:53,380
actually we're not longer but like he

865
00:37:58,380 --> 00:37:55,210
was he was harder to lose sight of the

866
00:38:00,420 --> 00:37:58,390
shore okay as well like that what people

867
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:00,430
saying yeah could have had the courage

868
00:38:03,090 --> 00:38:02,170
to lose sight of the shore because it's

869
00:38:05,670 --> 00:38:03,100
so difficult because then you have to

870
00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:05,680
trust these celestial navigation and

871
00:38:10,620 --> 00:38:08,320
your compass and things like that okay

872
00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:10,630
but didn't Aristotle was one of his

873
00:38:15,180 --> 00:38:12,310
proofs for determining the earth was

874
00:38:18,570 --> 00:38:15,190
round was seeing say a sail ship sail

875
00:38:20,460 --> 00:38:18,580
boats sail over the horizon yeah yeah

876
00:38:22,500 --> 00:38:20,470
they can't land from there no I guess

877
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:22,510
that mean they do they do sail and I

878
00:38:25,350 --> 00:38:24,160
think like in the Mediterranean you

879
00:38:28,650 --> 00:38:25,360
can't see one side of the Mediterranean

880
00:38:30,180 --> 00:38:28,660
from the other side so boats would you

881
00:38:31,380 --> 00:38:30,190
know travel from places like Italy to

882
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:31,390
Africa I'm not sure if you could see it

883
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:33,610
from Italy maybe the south of Italy but

884
00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:35,050
we're kind of like getting into the

885
00:38:40,530 --> 00:38:36,880
details of Flat Earth I'm interested in

886
00:38:42,180 --> 00:38:40,540
like how you personally kind of discover

887
00:38:43,770 --> 00:38:42,190
the whole flat earth movement and how

888
00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:43,780
you got into it what did you first think

889
00:38:48,090 --> 00:38:45,520
when you heard people saying the earth

890
00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:48,100
was flat hey well I bet you know my

891
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:52,000
answer that already well I think the

892
00:38:57,450 --> 00:38:55,450
same thing when you hear it talking

893
00:39:00,090 --> 00:38:57,460
about I mean that's what I thought

894
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:00,100
because at the time I was I was looking

895
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:03,010
into you know the conspiracy videos of

896
00:39:06,780 --> 00:39:04,570
you know the shootings and things like

897
00:39:10,170 --> 00:39:06,790
that and I'd keep coming across flat

898
00:39:11,820 --> 00:39:10,180
earth and I just would dismiss I mean I

899
00:39:14,070 --> 00:39:11,830
never even looked into it I just and

900
00:39:16,530 --> 00:39:14,080
then you think well there's this stigma

901
00:39:18,750 --> 00:39:16,540
attached to it right why and I remember

902
00:39:21,930 --> 00:39:18,760
growing up thinking you know in school

903
00:39:23,970 --> 00:39:21,940
like what's so funny about people

904
00:39:26,910 --> 00:39:23,980
thinking the earth was flat back you

905
00:39:29,010 --> 00:39:26,920
know back then I mean all your senses

906
00:39:31,740 --> 00:39:29,020
perceive it to be flat what you know I

907
00:39:34,050 --> 00:39:31,750
just seems like they're trying to you

908
00:39:37,650 --> 00:39:34,060
know implement some type of mind

909
00:39:40,940 --> 00:39:37,660
manipulation and I see a lot with like

910
00:39:43,140 --> 00:39:40,950
now if I ask you can you name the

911
00:39:48,330 --> 00:39:43,150
celebrities who came out as flat

912
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:48,340
earthers I remember be a be some other

913
00:39:56,730 --> 00:39:52,570
basketball player yeah so I remember oh

914
00:39:58,290 --> 00:39:56,740
well maybe I see Tia tequila okay and

915
00:40:00,380 --> 00:39:58,300
what what are those three people have in

916
00:40:06,780 --> 00:40:02,040
the

917
00:40:08,930 --> 00:40:06,790
all black yes correct now you wanted to

918
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:08,940
make some interesting stupid I'm not

919
00:40:12,900 --> 00:40:10,930
pleased don't get me wrong here I'm not

920
00:40:14,730 --> 00:40:12,910
implied I'm not racist of course I'm

921
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:14,740
going little see they're not racist but

922
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:17,850
I understand the psyche that they that I

923
00:40:22,530 --> 00:40:20,290
think I can imagine the psyche where

924
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:22,540
they say well what weather what better

925
00:40:27,870 --> 00:40:25,210
way to squash this and to think that

926
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:27,880
some idiot like Tila Tequila knows more

927
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:30,490
than physics you know and she does these

928
00:40:33,210 --> 00:40:31,450
people aren't flattered

929
00:40:34,740 --> 00:40:33,220
there's the they're puppets the you know

930
00:40:37,050 --> 00:40:34,750
they get out they're told what to do

931
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:37,060
they're totally using you think they

932
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:41,410
chose people like tear tequila to make

933
00:40:48,660 --> 00:40:44,290
it look like I mean she's a it wasn't

934
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:48,670
sensible yeah alright that black so that

935
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:51,130
it's to appeal to white people who think

936
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:52,810
that black people are stupid and they

937
00:41:04,620 --> 00:40:57,930
see black people correct saying that

938
00:41:06,690 --> 00:41:04,630
let's say it just sound rather racist is

939
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:06,700
it an understanding of how these people

940
00:41:13,590 --> 00:41:11,650
operate I mean in if you you know if you

941
00:41:18,060 --> 00:41:13,600
want to analyze something and get to the

942
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:18,070
truth you have to you know basically

943
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:19,330
have to accept that you're gonna be

944
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:21,970
called all sorts of names I mean if you

945
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:23,650
if you questioned the Holocaust you're

946
00:41:28,620 --> 00:41:26,490
immediately an anti summit right I mean

947
00:41:32,220 --> 00:41:28,630
that's the way yeah

948
00:41:34,770 --> 00:41:32,230
this isn't such like killing one who

949
00:41:36,750 --> 00:41:34,780
came out saying it was flat I think he

950
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:36,760
was just joking there Shaquille O'Neal

951
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:38,800
well he's a freemason so was he joking

952
00:41:43,050 --> 00:41:40,480
or is he giving some truth in plain

953
00:41:45,380 --> 00:41:43,060
sight that's not to say so everything

954
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:45,390
must be rather suspicious if you're a

955
00:41:51,780 --> 00:41:48,490
suspicious mind so so like see they

956
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:51,790
started out being sis like you thought

957
00:41:54,900 --> 00:41:54,160
he was stupid the flutter thing and then

958
00:41:59,640 --> 00:41:54,910
you thought there's some kind of

959
00:42:01,410 --> 00:41:59,650
mind-control thing going no no okay

960
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:01,420
first before I looked into it I thought

961
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:02,050
it was stupid

962
00:42:08,310 --> 00:42:05,290
can anyone question that you know and I

963
00:42:10,350 --> 00:42:08,320
don't have a science background you know

964
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:10,360
I mean I have a Bachelor of Science but

965
00:42:13,970 --> 00:42:11,920
it's not it's in international relations

966
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:13,980
so I don't have a hard science

967
00:42:17,820 --> 00:42:15,520
background

968
00:42:20,610 --> 00:42:17,830
learn more about physics studying Flat

969
00:42:24,750 --> 00:42:20,620
Earth than I ever did and it's quite

970
00:42:25,170 --> 00:42:24,760
educational right and so that's the

971
00:42:27,420 --> 00:42:25,180
other thing

972
00:42:29,790 --> 00:42:27,430
how many people do you think who aren't

973
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:29,800
science who don't have a background in

974
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:32,130
science would understand all these

975
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:35,410
concepts I mean like you know they'll be

976
00:42:39,630 --> 00:42:37,690
the first to say oh you're an idiot you

977
00:42:41,790 --> 00:42:39,640
believe in Flat Earth and I asked them

978
00:43:23,610 --> 00:42:41,800
okay how many planets are estimated in

979
00:43:25,230 --> 00:43:23,620
the universe 24 sep 10 2014 9 to think

980
00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:25,240
you know you were like this controlled

981
00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:27,760
opposition and you know you going over I

982
00:43:31,590 --> 00:43:28,720
get that a lot

983
00:43:31,950 --> 00:43:31,600
and and I'm like nobody he's such a nice

984
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:31,960
guy

985
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:35,200
maybe that's angle you know there's a

986
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:38,890
plan I know it's like Alex Jones on one

987
00:43:43,260 --> 00:43:40,450
day and who's the belligerent

988
00:43:45,090 --> 00:43:43,270
you know in your face making conspiracy

989
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:45,100
theorists look idiot and then you know

990
00:43:50,340 --> 00:43:48,490
it's just they have every every section

991
00:43:52,740 --> 00:43:50,350
covered you know I don't think it's

992
00:43:54,150 --> 00:43:52,750
nothing I'll ever happen I don't even if

993
00:43:57,180 --> 00:43:54,160
it's true might not be true who knows

994
00:44:00,510 --> 00:43:57,190
you know but I just think that you know

995
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:00,520
this it's you know the matrix has been

996
00:44:07,110 --> 00:44:03,520
so established over time in place and

997
00:44:08,370 --> 00:44:07,120
program of television it's just it's so

998
00:44:11,070 --> 00:44:08,380
there's nothing people think Flat Earth

999
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:11,080
is gonna you know is gonna eventually

1000
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:13,330
become mainstream it's not it's not I

1001
00:44:19,980 --> 00:44:15,760
think it is well and the other thing I

1002
00:44:22,350 --> 00:44:19,990
don't I don't flap so that's not even my

1003
00:44:24,270 --> 00:44:22,360
you know to be honest I wouldn't to be

1004
00:44:27,330 --> 00:44:24,280
technically correct I'm not a flat

1005
00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:27,340
earther I just reject the baller theory

1006
00:44:31,830 --> 00:44:29,440
and here's why I can kind of see like

1007
00:44:35,870 --> 00:44:31,840
it's like you're more about questioning

1008
00:44:37,020 --> 00:44:35,880
stuff then pushing a needle pointing you

1009
00:44:38,370 --> 00:44:37,030
right

1010
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:38,380
I mean out for all intensive purposes

1011
00:44:43,020 --> 00:44:40,810
I'll be known as a flat earther and

1012
00:44:45,150 --> 00:44:43,030
table just because it's kind of the same

1013
00:44:48,420 --> 00:44:45,160
thing I don't believe spate I I don't

1014
00:44:49,830 --> 00:44:48,430
believe space has been proven to you

1015
00:44:51,660 --> 00:44:49,840
know how many people have been in space

1016
00:44:56,510 --> 00:44:51,670
in the world Oh point one one point zero

1017
00:45:01,010 --> 00:44:56,520
zero zero zero those population I mean

1018
00:45:09,510 --> 00:45:04,740
well buzz yeah what I think that that

1019
00:45:11,220 --> 00:45:09,520
was actually all I almost would think

1020
00:45:13,530 --> 00:45:11,230
everything it stays what do you think is

1021
00:45:15,810 --> 00:45:13,540
how would he get access to all these

1022
00:45:17,460 --> 00:45:15,820
wouldn't the first guy who encountered

1023
00:45:19,860 --> 00:45:17,470
him tell everyone else oh watch out for

1024
00:45:22,890 --> 00:45:19,870
this guy don't you know don't I think he

1025
00:45:27,090 --> 00:45:22,900
was punked I think he was his name yeah

1026
00:45:28,650 --> 00:45:27,100
that guy who dollars BIOS yeah who got

1027
00:45:30,060 --> 00:45:28,660
punch but yeah he read they did a

1028
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:30,070
documentary called a funny thing

1029
00:45:32,490 --> 00:45:31,690
happened on the way to the moon yes

1030
00:45:36,090 --> 00:45:32,500
exactly

1031
00:45:37,740 --> 00:45:36,100
yeah I think that I think the the

1032
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:37,750
astronauts didn't know about this I

1033
00:45:42,420 --> 00:45:40,570
think it was a joke play down by where

1034
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:42,430
they send them and kasam it looks

1035
00:45:47,250 --> 00:45:44,410
authentic from these astronauts they're

1036
00:45:50,100 --> 00:45:47,260
really angry right now why would you be

1037
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:50,110
angry like okay so some one person

1038
00:45:53,730 --> 00:45:51,970
doesn't believe you I mean how many

1039
00:45:56,370 --> 00:45:53,740
people today don't believe them right

1040
00:45:59,160 --> 00:45:56,380
Wow yes well if you watch the full type

1041
00:46:00,840 --> 00:45:59,170
with guys in cancer with Buzz he had

1042
00:46:02,220 --> 00:46:00,850
both just ahh so just ignoring him but I

1043
00:46:04,620 --> 00:46:02,230
think he just like bugged him so much

1044
00:46:06,300 --> 00:46:04,630
and then you had the guy Siebel or if

1045
00:46:13,500 --> 00:46:06,310
his name is was like in his face and

1046
00:46:16,140 --> 00:46:13,510
calling him a liar so but yeah so bart

1047
00:46:17,730 --> 00:46:16,150
parts about cibele sibrel and then he

1048
00:46:20,670 --> 00:46:17,740
goes on all these he gets interviewed

1049
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:20,680
you know by all these news you know he

1050
00:46:25,380 --> 00:46:22,960
does these live interviews and why would

1051
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:25,390
they you know - if this guy is such a

1052
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:27,010
jerk you know treating the astronauts

1053
00:46:31,470 --> 00:46:28,330
this way could why are they giving him a

1054
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:31,480
platform yeah I guess that's the news

1055
00:46:35,850 --> 00:46:33,330
they like they like talking to people

1056
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:35,860
that's interesting stuff

1057
00:46:39,570 --> 00:46:38,560
well like getting back to it's a flat

1058
00:46:42,790 --> 00:46:39,580
earth like you say you're not

1059
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:42,800
technically a flat earth person

1060
00:46:49,470 --> 00:46:46,690
oh here's my here's my number one

1061
00:46:52,570 --> 00:46:49,480
anti-spark of Earth true

1062
00:46:59,170 --> 00:46:52,580
I think we touched on it yesterday on

1063
00:47:00,820 --> 00:46:59,180
Twitter so Aristotle proof that he worth

1064
00:47:02,500 --> 00:47:00,830
around one of them anyways was that

1065
00:47:04,350 --> 00:47:02,510
ships were sailing past the horizon

1066
00:47:11,050 --> 00:47:04,360
right that's nuts

1067
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:11,060
okay so now today we have you know highs

1068
00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:15,770
high zoom lens highs incapable cameras

1069
00:47:22,270 --> 00:47:19,250
telescopes how the unaided eye when it

1070
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:22,280
sees a ship disappear is that

1071
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:24,530
necessarily assume it's going over the

1072
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:27,440
horizon or is it just that our eyes have

1073
00:47:33,070 --> 00:47:30,770
a limited capacity see an object small

1074
00:47:36,130 --> 00:47:33,080
now hey I hear this argument a lot like

1075
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:36,140
it's true like a ship sails away far

1076
00:47:39,580 --> 00:47:37,850
enough it will disappear because it's

1077
00:47:41,230 --> 00:47:39,590
just simply so small you can't see it

1078
00:47:43,630 --> 00:47:41,240
and okay

1079
00:47:45,610 --> 00:47:43,640
sometimes when you zoom in on things you

1080
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:45,620
can then see them again because they are

1081
00:47:50,050 --> 00:47:48,170
now large enough to see but the

1082
00:47:52,650 --> 00:47:50,060
situations were shipped like a large

1083
00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:52,660
ship has gone beyond the horizon and

1084
00:47:57,220 --> 00:47:55,040
half of it is below the horizon and a

1085
00:47:59,650 --> 00:47:57,230
half of it is above the horizon and no

1086
00:48:01,450 --> 00:47:59,660
matter how much you zoom in you can't

1087
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:01,460
actually bring that bottom half back

1088
00:48:06,190 --> 00:48:04,370
interview so there's like two two

1089
00:48:08,140 --> 00:48:06,200
separate things going on here there's

1090
00:48:09,700 --> 00:48:08,150
the fact that you know things are very

1091
00:48:11,740 --> 00:48:09,710
very small in the distance and so

1092
00:48:13,870 --> 00:48:11,750
they're hard to see and then when you

1093
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:13,880
zoom in them it's easier to see them and

1094
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:15,290
then there's things that are actually

1095
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:17,210
hidden like something is half hidden

1096
00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:19,850
behind something you can't you know if i

1097
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:22,730
zoom you zoom in on my hand like move my

1098
00:48:26,530 --> 00:48:24,170
hand closer to the camera it doesn't

1099
00:48:32,890 --> 00:48:26,540
actually make the bit of the hand that

1100
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:32,900
is hidden visible is there and see what

1101
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:34,490
you did there may I know I know it's

1102
00:48:38,590 --> 00:48:36,770
gonna be careful what I do I bet I bet I

1103
00:48:42,070 --> 00:48:38,600
put one hand over one eye or something

1104
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:42,080
like that okay I get that okay but this

1105
00:48:47,830 --> 00:48:45,200
is my main point here this is a proof

1106
00:48:49,930 --> 00:48:47,840
right that the earth Aristotle the earth

1107
00:48:52,060 --> 00:48:49,940
was a trap yeah he's a proof that the

1108
00:48:53,770 --> 00:48:52,070
ocean is curved at least nearby which

1109
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:53,780
you know if you take into the general

1110
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:55,490
case it's curved everywhere which means

1111
00:49:00,160 --> 00:48:56,530
that the earth is

1112
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:00,170
but today we know that it could have

1113
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:01,970
just been that he didn't see it go over

1114
00:49:06,970 --> 00:49:04,850
the curve he just ran out of Isis you

1115
00:49:08,980 --> 00:49:06,980
know he could but we can now go out and

1116
00:49:10,690 --> 00:49:08,990
have a look and we can see boats go over

1117
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:10,700
the curve like I've done it myself I've

1118
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:12,530
seen like oil tankers where the bottom

1119
00:49:16,450 --> 00:49:14,720
half of the oil tanker is missing and

1120
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:16,460
I've got I've got a p900 I've got like

1121
00:49:25,150 --> 00:49:22,010
yeah yeah nine hundred which is the the

1122
00:49:27,810 --> 00:49:25,160
flat earther camera and it's a so I'm

1123
00:49:30,310 --> 00:49:27,820
saying like an incredibly large amount

1124
00:49:33,370 --> 00:49:30,320
so I can zoom in on these boats and I

1125
00:49:35,710 --> 00:49:33,380
can see that the bottom of the boat

1126
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:35,720
stays behind the horizon so we don't

1127
00:49:41,410 --> 00:49:37,850
have to like you know go back and think

1128
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:41,420
what Aristotle saw I did not see that be

1129
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:45,650
due to the not the atmosphere but you

1130
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:47,810
know the water you know and all the

1131
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:50,570
distortion from you know because you can

1132
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:52,610
see a fairly clear cutoff point

1133
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:54,290
yeah especially when you're down on the

1134
00:49:59,260 --> 00:49:55,970
beach you'd be down on the beach the the

1135
00:50:01,450 --> 00:49:59,270
ocean is The Horizon is fairly close

1136
00:50:03,010 --> 00:50:01,460
because the lower down you get the

1137
00:50:06,250 --> 00:50:03,020
closer the horizon is because you can't

1138
00:50:09,790 --> 00:50:06,260
see us well and so the actual line of

1139
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:09,800
the horizon becomes very very clear okay

1140
00:50:16,260 --> 00:50:12,770
and you can see that it's just basically

1141
00:50:18,370 --> 00:50:16,270
the boat is beaten behind this horizon

1142
00:50:21,310 --> 00:50:18,380
and that that's another thing that's

1143
00:50:24,070 --> 00:50:21,320
very suspicious is you have this way it

1144
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:24,080
just cuts off it's just it's you know

1145
00:50:29,530 --> 00:50:27,050
it's it's I don't want say flat I mean

1146
00:50:30,820 --> 00:50:29,540
it is it is splits it is what that's the

1147
00:50:35,050 --> 00:50:30,830
thing that kind of uses because I think

1148
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:35,060
at the horizon it's the boat sticking to

1149
00:50:39,790 --> 00:50:37,490
the water that's already curved outward

1150
00:50:41,650 --> 00:50:39,800
why isn't it inverted you know I know

1151
00:50:44,260 --> 00:50:41,660
about that the degree is such a small

1152
00:50:46,510 --> 00:50:44,270
degree you wouldn't notice it but some

1153
00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:46,520
of these it's just how is it straight up

1154
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:49,280
when the base is basically on the side

1155
00:50:53,650 --> 00:50:52,160
here it just it's illogical to me yeah I

1156
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:53,660
think you have to draw me a diagram out

1157
00:50:57,100 --> 00:50:54,890
of that guy like you're thinking like a

1158
00:50:59,380 --> 00:50:57,110
boat should be tilted over if it goes

1159
00:51:01,990 --> 00:50:59,390
further away well if you're saying this

1160
00:51:04,330 --> 00:51:02,000
the horizon is that's the cutoff right

1161
00:51:06,010 --> 00:51:04,340
that's everything I'm there we can't see

1162
00:51:08,530 --> 00:51:06,020
because the earth is completely dipped

1163
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:08,540
away which natality is it's very very

1164
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:09,530
gradually drift

1165
00:51:15,310 --> 00:51:12,890
way so yeah and but where it actually

1166
00:51:16,660 --> 00:51:15,320
becomes no longer visible that's not

1167
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:16,670
like a hard line or anything though

1168
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:18,050
that's just the edge they didn't see

1169
00:51:23,170 --> 00:51:20,240
looking at it okay well we're looking at

1170
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:23,180
the fries and we always see sharp hard

1171
00:51:31,930 --> 00:51:30,530
line right got a globe you can kind of

1172
00:51:33,700 --> 00:51:31,940
like do this yourself if you have a

1173
00:51:35,350 --> 00:51:33,710
globe like you close one eye and move

1174
00:51:36,850 --> 00:51:35,360
your eye really really close to the

1175
00:51:38,590 --> 00:51:36,860
globe which I'm doing right now let's

1176
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:38,600
give a silly and you can kind of see

1177
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:41,410
that the horizon kind of flattens out

1178
00:51:45,910 --> 00:51:43,850
and you know you can't obviously get

1179
00:51:47,050 --> 00:51:45,920
your eye down to the level that he would

1180
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:47,060
have to be you have to be actually

1181
00:51:52,090 --> 00:51:48,770
touching the surface of the globe to be

1182
00:51:54,100 --> 00:51:52,100
just to scale but you can kind of like

1183
00:51:55,210 --> 00:51:54,110
see that what you're seeing isn't as you

1184
00:51:57,790 --> 00:51:55,220
get closer you're not seeing the whole

1185
00:52:00,880 --> 00:51:57,800
globe be just seeing basically something

1186
00:52:03,370 --> 00:52:00,890
that's limited to a circle around around

1187
00:52:06,250 --> 00:52:03,380
the globe so if I'm like say you know a

1188
00:52:08,950 --> 00:52:06,260
thousand feet up in the air when I look

1189
00:52:11,170 --> 00:52:08,960
out there's going to be a point beyond

1190
00:52:12,910 --> 00:52:11,180
which I can't see on the globe and

1191
00:52:14,170 --> 00:52:12,920
that's the horizon this is in this

1192
00:52:17,020 --> 00:52:14,180
essentially it's a circle it's a flat

1193
00:52:19,450 --> 00:52:17,030
circle like however far away it is for a

1194
00:52:23,130 --> 00:52:19,460
thousand feet I don't know like like 10

1195
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:23,140
miles or something let's say there's one

1196
00:52:26,020 --> 00:52:24,770
photography you can't see anything

1197
00:52:28,450 --> 00:52:26,030
beyond that you can see anything that

1198
00:52:31,030 --> 00:52:28,460
was tall enough to poke over the horizon

1199
00:52:32,530 --> 00:52:31,040
which is why you can see ships the

1200
00:52:34,540 --> 00:52:32,540
bottom of the ship is hidden beyond the

1201
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:34,550
horizon the top of the ship is visible

1202
00:52:38,470 --> 00:52:36,290
and no matter how much you zoom in that

1203
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:38,480
doesn't actually change there's lots of

1204
00:52:42,970 --> 00:52:41,210
complications with it with like the

1205
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:42,980
weather and refraction and stuff like

1206
00:52:47,110 --> 00:52:44,690
that but right there is there's some

1207
00:52:50,530 --> 00:52:47,120
very very clear-cut examples where you

1208
00:52:53,310 --> 00:52:50,540
see islands like wait were you based

1209
00:52:56,530 --> 00:52:53,320
roughly oh you're in you're in Boston so

1210
00:53:00,160 --> 00:52:56,540
yeah I moved to Michigan okay from me so

1211
00:53:01,570 --> 00:53:00,170
like you've probably got like access one

1212
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:01,580
of the lakes that kind of which like

1213
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:04,610
you'd be close to eight legs yeah about

1214
00:53:09,550 --> 00:53:07,490
Lake Erie's the closest in fact actually

1215
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:09,560
I was going to do an experiment because

1216
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:12,650
there are some there's some wind

1217
00:53:17,170 --> 00:53:14,810
turbines in Canada well if you know like

1218
00:53:18,790 --> 00:53:17,180
Detroit borders Canada so they're going

1219
00:53:22,780 --> 00:53:18,800
to go along the Detroit River which

1220
00:53:23,380 --> 00:53:22,790
leads into Lake Erie Lake Sinclair as

1221
00:53:26,049 --> 00:53:23,390
you're going

1222
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:26,059
long at Grosse Pointe Michigan and one

1223
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:28,010
of the very probably the most affluent

1224
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:31,490
city in Michigan and it sits right on

1225
00:53:37,630 --> 00:53:34,970
the Detroit River and I should not be

1226
00:53:40,359 --> 00:53:37,640
able to see I mean I could see the mom

1227
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:40,369
often their entirety and so I came to

1228
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:44,960
Google the Google Maps and but anyway so

1229
00:53:51,339 --> 00:53:47,119
yeah I recommend people do experiments

1230
00:53:53,319 --> 00:53:51,349
like that it's it's it's sometimes

1231
00:53:55,089 --> 00:53:53,329
difficult to get the right situation

1232
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:55,099
because sometimes they're not far enough

1233
00:53:58,329 --> 00:53:57,170
for it to make a real difference or

1234
00:53:59,920 --> 00:53:58,339
sometimes the weather doesn't cooperate

1235
00:54:01,960 --> 00:53:59,930
and you have to go back a couple of

1236
00:54:03,279 --> 00:54:01,970
times but I do recommend things like

1237
00:54:04,539 --> 00:54:03,289
that and wind turbines are pretty good

1238
00:54:06,910 --> 00:54:04,549
because they're often they're spaced out

1239
00:54:08,829 --> 00:54:06,920
so you see one nearby a wind turbine

1240
00:54:10,420 --> 00:54:08,839
that's already got a bit obscure then

1241
00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:10,430
there's a further away one which is over

1242
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:13,250
further down the slope of the earth yeah

1243
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:15,010
so give it a go sir

1244
00:54:21,759 --> 00:54:17,930
okay finish I didn't finish

1245
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:21,769
giving you my okay yeah and it was part

1246
00:54:25,329 --> 00:54:23,359
way there and it has to do with with the

1247
00:54:27,130 --> 00:54:25,339
ship over the horizon right all right so

1248
00:54:28,900 --> 00:54:27,140
now okay so the ship goes over her

1249
00:54:30,490 --> 00:54:28,910
horizon you're out you're looking east

1250
00:54:32,349 --> 00:54:30,500
right you're looking let's say you're on

1251
00:54:36,039 --> 00:54:32,359
the East Coast and and you're looking

1252
00:54:37,150 --> 00:54:36,049
east but you know it's okay now and you

1253
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:37,160
see it go over the horizon it's

1254
00:54:41,980 --> 00:54:38,690
traveling directly away from you so it's

1255
00:54:45,609 --> 00:54:41,990
traveling east right yeah yeah okay so

1256
00:54:47,230 --> 00:54:45,619
now goes completely over it's basically

1257
00:54:50,499 --> 00:54:47,240
like a hill right I know it's not a hill

1258
00:54:52,690 --> 00:54:50,509
its elevation it's just for all intents

1259
00:54:55,539 --> 00:54:52,700
and purposes it's you know it's it's

1260
00:54:59,319 --> 00:54:55,549
curved right this curve has a curve down

1261
00:55:03,819 --> 00:54:59,329
and curves up right mm-hm so now if that

1262
00:55:07,990 --> 00:55:03,829
boat did a 180 and came back to shore

1263
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:08,000
how is it not going up instead of

1264
00:55:12,660 --> 00:55:12,130
continually down like the model state

1265
00:55:17,099 --> 00:55:12,670
[Music]

1266
00:55:23,230 --> 00:55:20,259
yeah well you know if you let's say you

1267
00:55:25,720 --> 00:55:23,240
take a video of that boat sailing over

1268
00:55:28,059 --> 00:55:25,730
and disappearing and then you play that

1269
00:55:29,519 --> 00:55:28,069
video in Reverse that's going to be

1270
00:55:31,630 --> 00:55:29,529
exactly the same thing that's happening

1271
00:55:34,599 --> 00:55:31,640
so I don't really see the problem you

1272
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:34,609
think he's going uphill coming back yeah

1273
00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:37,090
course it I mean you see this curve

1274
00:55:43,110 --> 00:55:39,760
it's going down right it's not curving

1275
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:43,120
down because there isn't down on the

1276
00:55:48,450 --> 00:55:46,330
globe down these always towards the

1277
00:55:49,830 --> 00:55:48,460
center of the globe so over here the top

1278
00:55:52,110 --> 00:55:49,840
of the globe it's down you know and the

1279
00:55:54,510 --> 00:55:52,120
equator down is like that on the bottom

1280
00:55:56,430 --> 00:55:54,520
down is like that so when a boat is

1281
00:55:58,650 --> 00:55:56,440
sailing on the surface is essentially

1282
00:56:01,770 --> 00:55:58,660
sailing on what seems to it to be a flat

1283
00:56:03,570 --> 00:56:01,780
surface because as it sails along what

1284
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:03,580
is down is changing as it gets further

1285
00:56:06,810 --> 00:56:05,680
and further now what you're talking

1286
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:06,820
about you're talking about the tiny

1287
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:08,890
little bits of it which will look almost

1288
00:56:12,930 --> 00:56:10,480
essentially flat he won't really look

1289
00:56:16,050 --> 00:56:12,940
like where it's a point down from the

1290
00:56:18,420 --> 00:56:16,060
boats perspective so when it both sails

1291
00:56:18,690 --> 00:56:18,430
in any direction it's not going up or

1292
00:56:21,570 --> 00:56:18,700
down

1293
00:56:25,020 --> 00:56:21,580
it's staying at the same altitude but

1294
00:56:26,490 --> 00:56:25,030
altitude on the globe is relative to the

1295
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:26,500
center of the earth essentially to the

1296
00:56:30,510 --> 00:56:27,850
surface of the earth but really to the

1297
00:56:32,970 --> 00:56:30,520
center and so it's always staying at the

1298
00:56:34,980 --> 00:56:32,980
same height the ocean isn't going up or

1299
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:34,990
down it's not there's no Hill on the

1300
00:56:39,870 --> 00:56:37,210
ocean so it's just basically sails out

1301
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:39,880
flatten it sails back flat there's no

1302
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:42,610
house if you asked ten people ten random

1303
00:56:48,420 --> 00:56:46,330
people off the street you know that's it

1304
00:56:51,570 --> 00:56:48,430
go to a college go to you know somewhere

1305
00:56:53,940 --> 00:56:51,580
educated people are but not a science

1306
00:56:56,430 --> 00:56:53,950
background right you explain that to

1307
00:56:58,200 --> 00:56:56,440
them you say okay this boat is sailing

1308
00:57:01,950 --> 00:56:58,210
over the horizon it gets lower and lower

1309
00:57:04,050 --> 00:57:01,960
and plying it's going downward and say

1310
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:04,060
Down Goes Down is there B so it's

1311
00:57:09,390 --> 00:57:07,450
downward acceptable no it's the else

1312
00:57:10,860 --> 00:57:09,400
it's that's the thing is that you're

1313
00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:10,870
using the word down you're saying going

1314
00:57:16,500 --> 00:57:12,640
down over the curb but it didn't it

1315
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:16,510
isn't really down it's I think that just

1316
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:18,160
isn't the use of language it confuses it

1317
00:57:23,850 --> 00:57:21,370
is sailing east but he's not going

1318
00:57:26,550 --> 00:57:23,860
higher or lower or much better on a flat

1319
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:26,560
earth it's a lot simpler on the flutter

1320
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:30,010
that's why we use Flat Earth math in in

1321
00:57:34,740 --> 00:57:32,050
video games because it's a lot simpler

1322
00:57:37,890 --> 00:57:34,750
it's just you know why is the same

1323
00:57:41,370 --> 00:57:37,900
rather than why goes around X or Z

1324
00:57:42,900 --> 00:57:41,380
whichever axis you use up okay but now

1325
00:57:45,540 --> 00:57:42,910
now there's a way to measure it though

1326
00:57:48,660 --> 00:57:45,550
right to measure what's the curvature of

1327
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:48,670
the earth as through the to measure what

1328
00:57:54,900 --> 00:57:50,650
the elevate what the

1329
00:57:56,130 --> 00:57:54,910
elevation of the oceans watery well the

1330
00:57:59,130 --> 00:57:56,140
thing is like Eevee

1331
00:58:01,650 --> 00:57:59,140
yeah the measurements it generally

1332
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:01,660
didn't relate it to sea level

1333
00:58:05,039 --> 00:58:03,730
so you're saying how high things are

1334
00:58:06,690 --> 00:58:05,049
relative to sea level so if you're on

1335
00:58:08,700 --> 00:58:06,700
the sea you just a sea level you're at

1336
00:58:11,370 --> 00:58:08,710
zero feet you no matter where you are

1337
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:11,380
there are some variations to do with

1338
00:58:15,660 --> 00:58:14,170
like the composition of the earth

1339
00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:15,670
that's the gravity it was like you know

1340
00:58:19,019 --> 00:58:17,440
very dense areas of the earth and slight

1341
00:58:20,849 --> 00:58:19,029
lessons but it doesn't account for very

1342
00:58:23,099 --> 00:58:20,859
much now basically when you're on the

1343
00:58:25,739 --> 00:58:23,109
ocean you're at sea level doesn't matter

1344
00:58:27,660 --> 00:58:25,749
which direction you go you're always at

1345
00:58:29,279 --> 00:58:27,670
zero feet heroes at sea level you're not

1346
00:58:31,380 --> 00:58:29,289
going up a hilly not going down a hill

1347
00:58:34,950 --> 00:58:31,390
you're just going around a surface which

1348
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:34,960
is curved okay how about a lake a lake

1349
00:58:38,779 --> 00:58:36,730
in its act exactly the same it's just as

1350
00:58:42,329 --> 00:58:38,789
a bit of a higher altitude so the

1351
00:58:44,249 --> 00:58:42,339
curvature is slight very very slightly

1352
00:58:47,789 --> 00:58:44,259
less because it's a bit higher up so

1353
00:58:50,039 --> 00:58:47,799
it's a bit so you know the angle of that

1354
00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:50,049
the amount of curvature per foot is very

1355
00:58:53,489 --> 00:58:51,609
very slightly less but and not not

1356
00:58:55,079 --> 00:58:53,499
something you could actually measure but

1357
00:58:56,970 --> 00:58:55,089
essentially the same thing that's right

1358
00:58:58,229 --> 00:58:56,980
okay so you don't think it can be

1359
00:59:00,779 --> 00:58:58,239
measured right

1360
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:00,789
well the difference in the curvature of

1361
00:59:09,390 --> 00:59:03,730
a lake first is the curvature of the sea

1362
00:59:12,269 --> 00:59:09,400
probably not because it's very very

1363
00:59:16,339 --> 00:59:12,279
different yeah it's not it's not very

1364
00:59:21,539 --> 00:59:16,349
much no I'm saying measure on a lake how

1365
00:59:24,630 --> 00:59:21,549
how many feet or inches the boat in her

1366
00:59:26,670 --> 00:59:24,640
way right so you take you right you can

1367
00:59:29,130 --> 00:59:26,680
you can actually do the laser if you do

1368
00:59:31,950 --> 00:59:29,140
a laser you take a laser yeah you stick

1369
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:31,960
it on the beach of a lake and then you

1370
00:59:39,239 --> 00:59:36,130
send a boat out and the laser is gonna

1371
00:59:40,859 --> 00:59:39,249
hit the top of a boat yeah right that's

1372
00:59:42,749 --> 00:59:40,869
not it's not a very good test on another

1373
00:59:46,319 --> 00:59:42,759
test you're referring to and it was one

1374
00:59:49,349 --> 00:59:46,329
done by horses named Stephen Hawking's

1375
00:59:51,239 --> 00:59:49,359
TV show and it's not a very good test

1376
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:51,249
because lasers that go close to the

1377
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:53,410
surface of the ocean tend to get

1378
00:59:57,150 --> 00:59:54,970
refracted because of the temperature

1379
00:59:59,009 --> 00:59:57,160
differences so it's not very accurate

1380
01:00:00,539 --> 00:59:59,019
you can kind of demonstrate the

1381
01:00:02,069 --> 01:00:00,549
principle but it's not very accurate a

1382
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:02,079
better thing to do is to use something

1383
01:00:06,599 --> 01:00:04,690
that's very very large like this

1384
01:00:08,819 --> 01:00:06,609
Sears Tower the Willis Tower for example

1385
01:00:10,589 --> 01:00:08,829
look at that from far enough away from a

1386
01:00:12,780 --> 01:00:10,599
certain altitude if you know what your

1387
01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:12,790
altitude is you know how big the Sears

1388
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:15,760
Tower is you see where the horizon cuts

1389
01:00:21,839 --> 01:00:17,890
it off and you can get from that a

1390
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:21,849
reasonable estimate of the curvature of

1391
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:24,490
that lake and even better is to use

1392
01:00:29,359 --> 01:00:26,890
mountains my favorite one is Catalina

1393
01:00:32,460 --> 01:00:29,369
Island off the coast of of Los Angeles

1394
01:00:34,470 --> 01:00:32,470
says like 35 miles away Mountain is

1395
01:00:37,140 --> 01:00:34,480
about I think it's like 1,800 feet high

1396
01:00:38,819 --> 01:00:37,150
1,600 feet high and you look at it in

1397
01:00:40,980 --> 01:00:38,829
about half of it is missing from 35

1398
01:00:42,599 --> 01:00:40,990
miles away and you can you can do the

1399
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:42,609
math backwards and calculate what the

1400
01:00:46,829 --> 01:00:44,970
radius of the earth is based on that

1401
01:00:48,780 --> 01:00:46,839
it's tricky to do with things like

1402
01:00:50,190 --> 01:00:48,790
lasers and boats it's because of

1403
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:50,200
refraction okay so you say it's not

1404
01:00:54,210 --> 01:00:53,410
accurate but it's me it I don't see it

1405
01:00:56,940 --> 01:00:54,220
doesn't have to be a hundred percent

1406
01:01:00,240 --> 01:00:56,950
accurate let's say it's allow sometimes

1407
01:01:02,309 --> 01:01:00,250
it's 100% wrong unfortunately okay

1408
01:01:06,450 --> 01:01:02,319
because you've seen like you know a

1409
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:06,460
mirage on a hot road sometimes you look

1410
01:01:12,180 --> 01:01:08,050
you're looking down at the road and

1411
01:01:14,220 --> 01:01:12,190
you're seeing the sky that's how wrong a

1412
01:01:16,890 --> 01:01:14,230
laser test can be you could be looking

1413
01:01:18,809 --> 01:01:16,900
down at a road and seeing the sky same

1414
01:01:21,210 --> 01:01:18,819
thing a lake you could be looking down

1415
01:01:22,380 --> 01:01:21,220
to the lake and seeing something in the

1416
01:01:23,819 --> 01:01:22,390
sky or you keep it looking straight

1417
01:01:25,050 --> 01:01:23,829
ahead and seeing something that's down

1418
01:01:27,359 --> 01:01:25,060
or straight ahead and seeing something

1419
01:01:29,099 --> 01:01:27,369
that's up so you need to kind of get

1420
01:01:31,260 --> 01:01:29,109
above the areas where you have all these

1421
01:01:33,359 --> 01:01:31,270
problems with refraction is it's quite

1422
01:01:34,770 --> 01:01:33,369
doable as well it's not like it's not

1423
01:01:36,540 --> 01:01:34,780
like we're cheating here we're using

1424
01:01:39,059 --> 01:01:36,550
much bigger and more accurate

1425
01:01:42,750 --> 01:01:39,069
measurements that are less fiddly to

1426
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:42,760
demonstrate things so it's certainly

1427
01:01:46,890 --> 01:01:44,530
something that's doable and if you can

1428
01:01:49,109 --> 01:01:46,900
find large objects on the other side of

1429
01:01:53,220 --> 01:01:49,119
your lake you said like like Lake Erie

1430
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:53,230
here at it Kari yeah that's great like

1431
01:01:58,349 --> 01:01:55,210
Lake st. Clair is a large lake which is

1432
01:02:00,420 --> 01:01:58,359
a little closer but yeah ideally like

1433
01:02:03,690 --> 01:02:00,430
you wants a big lake that's got like

1434
01:02:05,430 --> 01:02:03,700
like 30 or 40 miles and if it has a

1435
01:02:06,089 --> 01:02:05,440
mountain on the other side that is that

1436
01:02:09,540 --> 01:02:06,099
is perfect

1437
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:09,550
oh yeah the bigger things and the longer

1438
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:11,410
distance that you can do the better and

1439
01:02:14,910 --> 01:02:13,810
don't be too close to the water yourself

1440
01:02:17,099 --> 01:02:14,920
because then you get the refraction

1441
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:17,109
effects like start like 20 feet up or

1442
01:02:20,069 --> 01:02:17,890
something like that

1443
01:02:23,130 --> 01:02:20,079
give it okay I'll be interested to see

1444
01:02:27,779 --> 01:02:23,140
see what results you came up with that

1445
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:27,789
bar yeah look that you can find cheap

1446
01:02:34,259 --> 01:02:31,930
one on ebay nowadays but back to back to

1447
01:02:37,799 --> 01:02:34,269
this experiment because even though you

1448
01:02:39,749 --> 01:02:37,809
say it's not accurate okay well okay but

1449
01:02:42,839 --> 01:02:39,759
for my purposes it doesn't need to be

1450
01:02:45,719 --> 01:02:42,849
accurate so they said that the laser was

1451
01:02:48,799 --> 01:02:45,729
set up three feet above the surface of

1452
01:02:52,430 --> 01:02:48,809
the water right and it hit the boat at

1453
01:02:56,370 --> 01:02:52,440
six feet above the surface of the water

1454
01:02:58,709 --> 01:02:56,380
yes so now you say that's not accurate

1455
01:03:02,910 --> 01:02:58,719
now would it be accurate with I allowed

1456
01:03:05,190 --> 01:03:02,920
for you know all I think you know I

1457
01:03:07,259 --> 01:03:05,200
think that the the results they got were

1458
01:03:09,809 --> 01:03:07,269
actually the results that would be

1459
01:03:12,660 --> 01:03:09,819
predictors but I don't I think that's

1460
01:03:14,999 --> 01:03:12,670
either by luck or they kind of fetched

1461
01:03:18,329 --> 01:03:15,009
the results to make it to make it work

1462
01:03:22,289 --> 01:03:18,339
because it's very difficult to get a

1463
01:03:25,019 --> 01:03:22,299
laser one to be level at that distance

1464
01:03:28,019 --> 01:03:25,029
and two to not be affected by refraction

1465
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:28,029
so you know I wouldn't put much Sarah

1466
01:03:32,999 --> 01:03:30,130
isn't there an accepted allowance for

1467
01:03:35,069 --> 01:03:33,009
refraction like a proposed there is like

1468
01:03:38,189 --> 01:03:35,079
a general rule of thumb that you can use

1469
01:03:42,569 --> 01:03:38,199
is that with the calculations you add

1470
01:03:46,459 --> 01:03:42,579
like basically fifteen percent to the

1471
01:03:48,599 --> 01:03:46,469
amount that the height of something

1472
01:03:52,079 --> 01:03:48,609
because things get raised up by

1473
01:03:53,069 --> 01:03:52,089
refraction make it visually raised let's

1474
01:03:54,839 --> 01:03:53,079
say 20 percent

1475
01:03:56,459 --> 01:03:54,849
okay that's that that changes a lot

1476
01:03:58,859 --> 01:03:56,469
sometimes it could be negative fifteen

1477
01:04:02,370 --> 01:03:58,869
percent or sometimes it could be forty

1478
01:04:04,140 --> 01:04:02,380
percent so you see this huge range of

1479
01:04:06,269 --> 01:04:04,150
things that are very very close to the

1480
01:04:09,209 --> 01:04:06,279
water then it makes it very very

1481
01:04:13,319 --> 01:04:09,219
difficult to do actually get anywhere

1482
01:04:15,420 --> 01:04:13,329
with it but you'll admit a laser is

1483
01:04:19,349 --> 01:04:15,430
level right I mean even though it might

1484
01:04:21,900 --> 01:04:19,359
not know I unfortunately this position

1485
01:04:23,819 --> 01:04:21,910
if it's positioned correctly yeah no I

1486
01:04:26,339 --> 01:04:23,829
got a few position if you leave it there

1487
01:04:30,689 --> 01:04:26,349
if they're actually tilted down as I'm a

1488
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:30,699
some rock so that it but anyways in

1489
01:04:34,710 --> 01:04:31,810
theory I think either

1490
01:04:37,710 --> 01:04:34,720
the thing it makes sense but in reality

1491
01:04:40,410 --> 01:04:37,720
the practical problems with lasers are

1492
01:04:41,940 --> 01:04:40,420
they get bent by the atmosphere and if

1493
01:04:44,070 --> 01:04:41,950
you're doing it over water which is the

1494
01:04:47,610 --> 01:04:44,080
only way to get like accurate readings

1495
01:04:50,100 --> 01:04:47,620
like relative to some altitude you're

1496
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:50,110
gonna get the laser going up and down

1497
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:51,610
because of the temperature difference so

1498
01:04:57,030 --> 01:04:54,850
so like I said you shouldn't really you

1499
01:04:58,380 --> 01:04:57,040
should do laser test if you want but

1500
01:05:00,210 --> 01:04:58,390
you're not gonna get anything good out

1501
01:05:02,940 --> 01:05:00,220
of them you're much better off using

1502
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:02,950
mountains because they demonstrate the

1503
01:05:10,610 --> 01:05:07,410
effect a lot more clearly okay so now

1504
01:05:13,830 --> 01:05:10,620
let's assume but this just assume for

1505
01:05:16,410 --> 01:05:13,840
argument's sake that ass laser is is

1506
01:05:19,590 --> 01:05:16,420
level okay and it's hitting the boat now

1507
01:05:21,330 --> 01:05:19,600
it's at the boat it's but it's six feet

1508
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:21,340
above the surface of the water and

1509
01:05:27,830 --> 01:05:24,970
shorts so that implies that it's surface

1510
01:05:30,420 --> 01:05:27,840
of the earth is curving down right yeah

1511
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:30,430
okay so now what with the measurements

1512
01:05:36,630 --> 01:05:34,690
be from the boat to the shore do be the

1513
01:05:40,830 --> 01:05:36,640
same thing if you could do such a sense

1514
01:05:43,170 --> 01:05:40,840
get the level level okay on the boat so

1515
01:05:44,580 --> 01:05:43,180
the same thing so that shows that from

1516
01:05:46,740 --> 01:05:44,590
the point of view of the people on the

1517
01:05:49,050 --> 01:05:46,750
boat earth kerbin in its opposite

1518
01:05:51,510 --> 01:05:49,060
direction well you could you could argue

1519
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:51,520
that's about anything like if your honor

1520
01:05:55,110 --> 01:05:53,890
if you're on a ball if he goes this way

1521
01:05:56,490 --> 01:05:55,120
then if you're over here then it goes

1522
01:05:59,490 --> 01:05:56,500
this way it's the opposite direction

1523
01:06:02,670 --> 01:05:59,500
it's the same thing right you're right

1524
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:02,680
because it feels flat no matter which

1525
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:03,850
way you're going it doesn't make any

1526
01:06:11,100 --> 01:06:07,930
difference what you just said on a boat

1527
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:11,110
and and water it's like seesaw level so

1528
01:06:16,140 --> 01:06:13,930
you have the level level this is gonna

1529
01:06:19,620 --> 01:06:16,150
be a misconception people have is that

1530
01:06:23,670 --> 01:06:19,630
level doesn't doesn't mean completely

1531
01:06:25,260 --> 01:06:23,680
flat level means relative to the surface

1532
01:06:30,620 --> 01:06:25,270
of the water the surface of the ocean

1533
01:06:33,330 --> 01:06:30,630
right right but so sea level is a curve

1534
01:06:36,030 --> 01:06:33,340
it's not a flat surface sea level is a

1535
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:36,040
curve which I know it sounds bad and

1536
01:06:39,900 --> 01:06:38,050
people are like Oh level can't be a

1537
01:06:43,850 --> 01:06:39,910
curve it's level level means flat very

1538
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:43,860
doesn't like level in surveying means

1539
01:06:49,620 --> 01:06:45,730
basically sea level

1540
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:49,630
the the surface of the ocean bro because

1541
01:06:54,300 --> 01:06:52,690
everything is level when you're on the

1542
01:06:56,130 --> 01:06:54,310
ocean it doesn't matter which way you go

1543
01:06:58,350 --> 01:06:56,140
there's no open there's no down you're

1544
01:06:59,700 --> 01:06:58,360
just going along the level and it feels

1545
01:07:02,610 --> 01:06:59,710
like you're going along a flat surface

1546
01:07:04,830 --> 01:07:02,620
you kind of think like say you're in you

1547
01:07:06,950 --> 01:07:04,840
know you've seen like space films say

1548
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:06,960
you've got like a really small asteroid

1549
01:07:12,990 --> 01:07:10,290
like that's perfectly spherical and

1550
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:13,000
gravity is pulling you in or some so

1551
01:07:17,010 --> 01:07:14,650
magical force is pulling you in towards

1552
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:17,020
the middle of this this this this ball

1553
01:07:21,390 --> 01:07:18,850
and you're walking on the surface of

1554
01:07:22,770 --> 01:07:21,400
this ball it will feel like from where

1555
01:07:25,380 --> 01:07:22,780
you're standing you're on the top of a

1556
01:07:26,700 --> 01:07:25,390
ball and everything looks like it's down

1557
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:26,710
but when you walk he doesn't make any

1558
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:28,450
difference which way you walk when you

1559
01:07:31,470 --> 01:07:30,370
get to a new position you still feel

1560
01:07:33,090 --> 01:07:31,480
like you're on the top of the ball and

1561
01:07:35,190 --> 01:07:33,100
everywhere you walk you just walk in

1562
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:35,200
that direction it doesn't there's no up

1563
01:07:40,170 --> 01:07:37,570
or down on the surface of the earth on

1564
01:07:41,340 --> 01:07:40,180
the surface of the ocean so you can't

1565
01:07:42,930 --> 01:07:41,350
say you're going one that way you're

1566
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:42,940
going down over the server so the next

1567
01:07:46,530 --> 01:07:44,050
way you're coming back up

1568
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:46,540
everything looks down from every

1569
01:07:51,510 --> 01:07:49,570
position on a ball that's what I'm

1570
01:07:53,670 --> 01:07:51,520
saying if everything looks down and we

1571
01:07:55,470 --> 01:07:53,680
just determine these measurements we're

1572
01:07:57,270 --> 01:07:55,480
at the boat it's six feet above the

1573
01:07:58,980 --> 01:07:57,280
surface of the water at shore it's only

1574
01:08:01,140 --> 01:07:58,990
three feet that's not down there not

1575
01:08:03,620 --> 01:08:01,150
looking down it is it but then you've

1576
01:08:05,580 --> 01:08:03,630
got your your star position is different

1577
01:08:09,150 --> 01:08:05,590
where the end of the line is where the

1578
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:09,160
laser hits the boat the water that line

1579
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:12,490
is looking down so if you if you did to

1580
01:08:15,900 --> 01:08:14,530
two things that are symmetrical you get

1581
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:15,910
two lasers what are the boats and what

1582
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:17,650
on the shore for them both at three feet

1583
01:08:21,810 --> 01:08:19,810
and you point one of the boat and one

1584
01:08:27,660 --> 01:08:21,820
back of the shore and they're both level

1585
01:08:29,070 --> 01:08:27,670
relative that's what well because you

1586
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:29,080
can't put a laser on a moving boat

1587
01:08:36,810 --> 01:08:34,690
here's the reason they didn't do it well

1588
01:08:40,230 --> 01:08:36,820
I mean you can do it over you can do

1589
01:08:42,180 --> 01:08:40,240
over land you could do it over loan but

1590
01:08:43,500 --> 01:08:42,190
again like you know you it wouldn't tell

1591
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:43,510
you very much because the refraction but

1592
01:08:47,940 --> 01:08:45,730
you can do these scope this is a

1593
01:08:49,290 --> 01:08:47,950
reciprocal things what they call and

1594
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:49,300
there's something you could look up

1595
01:08:54,450 --> 01:08:51,730
later there's a thing called reciprocal

1596
01:08:57,420 --> 01:08:54,460
leveling which does essentially what

1597
01:08:58,980 --> 01:08:57,430
you're talking about here leveling is

1598
01:09:01,200 --> 01:08:58,990
making sure everything is

1599
01:09:03,410 --> 01:09:01,210
all meaning it's the same you know if

1600
01:09:05,910 --> 01:09:03,420
you're on a road there's 100 miles long

1601
01:09:09,180 --> 01:09:05,920
it needs to be level which isn't flat

1602
01:09:10,380 --> 01:09:09,190
it's slightly curved but they they take

1603
01:09:12,180 --> 01:09:10,390
all these measurements to make the road

1604
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:12,190
be level so there's no there's no steep

1605
01:09:17,220 --> 01:09:14,650
ups or downs in the road and the user

1606
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:17,230
thing called reciprocal leveling where

1607
01:09:21,210 --> 01:09:19,210
they they take a site in one direction

1608
01:09:24,030 --> 01:09:21,220
and then they take a site in the other

1609
01:09:26,550 --> 01:09:24,040
direction and then that actually cancels

1610
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:26,560
out the curvature of the earth because

1611
01:09:30,450 --> 01:09:28,690
they can use that plus that not sure if

1612
01:09:32,100 --> 01:09:30,460
the exactly the math hops off my head

1613
01:09:33,450 --> 01:09:32,110
but they do actually do what you're

1614
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:33,460
talking about they're looking in both

1615
01:09:37,890 --> 01:09:35,770
directions and then they can find where

1616
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:37,900
the actual level is based on that it

1617
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:39,730
corrects automatically for the curvature

1618
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:43,090
of the earth and for refraction so we're

1619
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:44,650
kind of getting it's a very obscure

1620
01:09:49,380 --> 01:09:45,970
details here and we have been talking

1621
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:49,390
for over an hour so does anything that

1622
01:09:53,460 --> 01:09:51,010
you'd really want to talk about that so

1623
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:53,470
we haven't really covered yet yeah I

1624
01:09:57,510 --> 01:09:55,570
have this one I have one video on my

1625
01:10:00,450 --> 01:09:57,520
youtube channel and I took it right

1626
01:10:03,750 --> 01:10:00,460
outside of my office here hmm and it's

1627
01:10:06,570 --> 01:10:03,760
this it looks like a rocket took off and

1628
01:10:08,940 --> 01:10:06,580
there's no way that's contrails and the

1629
01:10:11,340 --> 01:10:08,950
aint fact what's great about this video

1630
01:10:13,740 --> 01:10:11,350
is that you can see another plane just

1631
01:10:17,670 --> 01:10:13,750
above that just the tiniest tiniest

1632
01:10:18,870 --> 01:10:17,680
trick so real Ajith emit one and there's

1633
01:10:20,730 --> 01:10:18,880
no reason I don't think they're

1634
01:10:23,220 --> 01:10:20,740
poisoning people I don't think you know

1635
01:10:26,310 --> 01:10:23,230
barium aluminium all this stuff because

1636
01:10:28,830 --> 01:10:26,320
for that to be true then the elite would

1637
01:10:32,430 --> 01:10:28,840
be affected as well so I think it's more

1638
01:10:35,220 --> 01:10:32,440
about geoengineering of the weather and

1639
01:10:37,140 --> 01:10:35,230
I've seen some days here where you just

1640
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:37,150
you look up in the skies you see all the

1641
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:39,610
contrails and then you just see these

1642
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:42,010
weird clouds one and then when you don't

1643
01:10:46,820 --> 01:10:44,530
see any contrails you won't see any you

1644
01:10:49,410 --> 01:10:46,830
know it's just it's just something

1645
01:10:51,420 --> 01:10:49,420
unless you really you know I think most

1646
01:10:54,630 --> 01:10:51,430
people don't bother to look up at the

1647
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:54,640
sky and and notice these things so the

1648
01:10:59,070 --> 01:10:56,850
one you said that looked like a rocket

1649
01:11:00,900 --> 01:10:59,080
yeah you said you saw some that look

1650
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:00,910
like this yeah you so want to look like

1651
01:11:07,940 --> 01:11:02,650
a rocket it was going straight up or

1652
01:11:10,350 --> 01:11:07,950
straight down okay but like a tracer

1653
01:11:12,270 --> 01:11:10,360
elevation started at a very low

1654
01:11:13,879 --> 01:11:12,280
elevation like very so close to the

1655
01:11:16,979 --> 01:11:13,889
horizon

1656
01:11:19,709 --> 01:11:16,989
well no it was just I mean it was really

1657
01:11:22,410 --> 01:11:19,719
literally right out I'll DM it to you

1658
01:11:24,029 --> 01:11:22,420
right now let's see but you know like

1659
01:11:25,729 --> 01:11:24,039
consider that what it might have been

1660
01:11:29,819 --> 01:11:25,739
it's just a plane that was flying

1661
01:11:32,729 --> 01:11:29,829
directly to watch you so if a plane is

1662
01:11:35,209 --> 01:11:32,739
flying towards you the trail is gonna

1663
01:11:38,189 --> 01:11:35,219
look like it's going straight up just

1664
01:11:40,620 --> 01:11:38,199
like it wouldn't be flying towards me

1665
01:11:43,500 --> 01:11:40,630
because it would be well it's six miles

1666
01:11:44,759 --> 01:11:43,510
above you your planes are about six

1667
01:11:46,379 --> 01:11:44,769
miles and one to six or seven miles

1668
01:11:49,049 --> 01:11:46,389
above you so you're looking up at

1669
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:49,059
something there's like six miles up and

1670
01:11:54,029 --> 01:11:51,130
maybe say twenty or thirty miles away

1671
01:11:56,549 --> 01:11:54,039
and it's flying you know a path that

1672
01:11:57,629 --> 01:11:56,559
would take it roughly over your head you

1673
01:12:00,859 --> 01:11:57,639
got to think about what that would look

1674
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:00,869
like and a like like if you look at sir

1675
01:12:06,270 --> 01:12:03,489
well it's good example is the the

1676
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:06,280
ceiling tiles above you the ceiling

1677
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:07,650
tiles that go left to right

1678
01:12:11,370 --> 01:12:10,090
they look like they're horizontal but in

1679
01:12:13,709 --> 01:12:11,380
the image that I'm looking at you right

1680
01:12:14,910 --> 01:12:13,719
now I see a ceiling tile and it looks

1681
01:12:18,029 --> 01:12:14,920
like it's coming out of the top of your

1682
01:12:19,529 --> 01:12:18,039
head and going straight up right yeah

1683
01:12:21,330 --> 01:12:19,539
and that's essentially what you're

1684
01:12:22,979 --> 01:12:21,340
seeing with is these contrails you said

1685
01:12:24,810 --> 01:12:22,989
they're a lot further away so you get

1686
01:12:27,029 --> 01:12:24,820
even less kind of perspective Q yeah

1687
01:12:28,979 --> 01:12:27,039
you'll have to see this one this I will

1688
01:12:32,399 --> 01:12:28,989
I will certainly I will look at it and

1689
01:12:34,379 --> 01:12:32,409
we're totally it's clearly at a lower

1690
01:12:37,259 --> 01:12:34,389
elevation because you can in the same

1691
01:12:39,390 --> 01:12:37,269
video you can see another much higher

1692
01:12:42,239 --> 01:12:39,400
elevation well now maybe I'm wrong but

1693
01:12:44,669 --> 01:12:42,249
isn't be higher colder and that's it is

1694
01:12:46,169 --> 01:12:44,679
it is burst I think people often make

1695
01:12:48,899 --> 01:12:46,179
the mistake of thinking if something is

1696
01:12:52,279 --> 01:12:48,909
closer to the horizon that means that it

1697
01:12:56,989 --> 01:12:54,600
it's higher but if you look at you know

1698
01:13:00,000 --> 01:12:56,999
what I'm pointing at right now I've got

1699
01:13:02,370 --> 01:13:00,010
this pen can you see that pen in the

1700
01:13:06,449 --> 01:13:02,380
video and behind it I've got a map of

1701
01:13:07,830 --> 01:13:06,459
the water map of the world and in the

1702
01:13:09,359 --> 01:13:07,840
image you're looking at now I'm holding

1703
01:13:10,500 --> 01:13:09,369
the pen up and it's a lot closer to the

1704
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:10,510
camera than the map of the world and the

1705
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:13,090
pen is above the map of the world so you

1706
01:13:18,810 --> 01:13:14,650
would think that that map of the world

1707
01:13:22,390 --> 01:13:18,820
is actually lower than this pen but it

1708
01:13:28,170 --> 01:13:22,400
isn't because if I go across the room

1709
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:28,180
all right he's actually here yes

1710
01:13:31,570 --> 01:13:30,290
perspective makes it look like it's

1711
01:13:33,850 --> 01:13:31,580
higher when it's actually a lot lower

1712
01:13:35,170 --> 01:13:33,860
and if you get right here it looks like

1713
01:13:38,230 --> 01:13:35,180
it's like higher than everything in the

1714
01:13:39,580 --> 01:13:38,240
room when it's actually lower so just as

1715
01:13:43,630 --> 01:13:39,590
close to the horizon doesn't mean it's

1716
01:13:45,370 --> 01:13:43,640
actually lower right I get that but but

1717
01:13:48,550 --> 01:13:45,380
you have the indicator of the trails

1718
01:13:50,500 --> 01:13:48,560
that whatever contrail yeah I guess I'll

1719
01:13:55,930 --> 01:13:50,510
have to look at your other leg of video

1720
01:13:58,510 --> 01:13:55,940
and figure out what's going on all right

1721
01:14:01,090 --> 01:13:58,520
yes I don't I don't believe in you know

1722
01:14:02,460 --> 01:14:01,100
people get poisoning you think it's new

1723
01:14:05,290 --> 01:14:02,470
engineering now it's a common belief

1724
01:14:07,420 --> 01:14:05,300
that people have I I don't think I think

1725
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:07,430
it's contrails I don't think the

1726
01:14:12,550 --> 01:14:09,050
geoengineering is happening Eisley talk

1727
01:14:15,130 --> 01:14:12,560
to David Keith you know he's a famous

1728
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:15,140
geoengineering researcher and I had him

1729
01:14:19,180 --> 01:14:16,850
on my podcast like a couple of months

1730
01:14:21,930 --> 01:14:19,190
ago and we discussed it and he basically

1731
01:14:23,890 --> 01:14:21,940
says that he doesn't know of any any

1732
01:14:25,630 --> 01:14:23,900
geoengineering research that has

1733
01:14:27,820 --> 01:14:25,640
proceeded even to the practical

1734
01:14:30,700 --> 01:14:27,830
experiment stage they just don't know

1735
01:14:33,010 --> 01:14:30,710
how to do it and they don't worry

1736
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:33,020
there's uh I mean it's Disney but

1737
01:14:36,930 --> 01:14:34,850
there's old Disney documentaries you

1738
01:14:39,910 --> 01:14:36,940
know from 60s where they talk about

1739
01:14:43,930 --> 01:14:39,920
geoengineering the weather sure yeah I

1740
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:43,940
mean they talk about they talk about

1741
01:14:47,890 --> 01:14:45,890
playing to other galaxies as well we're

1742
01:14:49,060 --> 01:14:47,900
not doing that either this is probably

1743
01:14:51,010 --> 01:14:49,070
something that will happen in the future

1744
01:14:52,980 --> 01:14:51,020
there will the world be geoengineering

1745
01:14:55,810 --> 01:14:52,990
at some point in the next you know

1746
01:14:59,530 --> 01:14:55,820
hundreds of years if society manages to

1747
01:15:01,840 --> 01:14:59,540
survive but right now I've talked to the

1748
01:15:03,610 --> 01:15:01,850
top geoengineering researcher and he's

1749
01:15:06,630 --> 01:15:03,620
and he's not aware because he could be

1750
01:15:13,390 --> 01:15:06,640
lying he could be influenced by the

1751
01:15:16,030 --> 01:15:13,400
whoever the translator that's so that's

1752
01:15:18,550 --> 01:15:16,040
why I ask you something like what what

1753
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:18,560
do you think of people like me who

1754
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:22,610
debunk conspiracy theories

1755
01:15:29,380 --> 01:15:25,970
well you specifically you know you're a

1756
01:15:30,970 --> 01:15:29,390
good guy so if you didn't have people

1757
01:15:34,450 --> 01:15:30,980
like us you wouldn't have a livelihood

1758
01:15:35,490 --> 01:15:34,460
right now being programmers you got

1759
01:15:37,959 --> 01:15:35,500
overtime

1760
01:15:39,970 --> 01:15:37,969
so you know I think there's a balance

1761
01:15:41,859 --> 01:15:39,980
between people who you know you got it

1762
01:15:44,350 --> 01:15:41,869
you can't insult them too much because

1763
01:15:47,979 --> 01:15:44,360
without you know can't bite the hand

1764
01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:47,989
that feeds you so to speak nobody are

1765
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:52,130
you feeding me anyway yeah I see we're

1766
01:15:55,870 --> 01:15:53,449
saying like it sir

1767
01:15:57,760 --> 01:15:55,880
but like do you think the water is a lot

1768
01:15:59,740 --> 01:15:57,770
of people like the bait they that's all

1769
01:16:01,780 --> 01:15:59,750
they say I'm you're an idiot you know as

1770
01:16:03,879 --> 01:16:01,790
they're spelling words wrong yeah no I

1771
01:16:07,689 --> 01:16:03,889
saw you like on Twitter there was some

1772
01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:07,699
guy who is having a problem with you you

1773
01:16:12,790 --> 01:16:09,050
know cuz you and I like we completely

1774
01:16:15,310 --> 01:16:12,800
disagree um yeah a vast number of topics

1775
01:16:16,810 --> 01:16:15,320
and I'm sure that if we got into more

1776
01:16:18,820 --> 01:16:16,820
details of things we will probably

1777
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:18,830
disagree on on other things I'm sure we

1778
01:16:26,250 --> 01:16:19,730
disagree on

1779
01:16:30,700 --> 01:16:28,540
you know we I think I think it's still

1780
01:16:32,740 --> 01:16:30,710
valuable to have a conversation with

1781
01:16:34,540 --> 01:16:32,750
people even if you completely disagree

1782
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:34,550
with them he doesn't I'm not trying to

1783
01:16:39,250 --> 01:16:36,650
validate your positions because I think

1784
01:16:42,399 --> 01:16:39,260
I think they're wrong but I think it's

1785
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:42,409
important to understand why you believe

1786
01:16:47,770 --> 01:16:44,449
what you do and for me to kind of

1787
01:16:50,979 --> 01:16:47,780
explain to you why I do what I do and

1788
01:16:54,129 --> 01:16:50,989
you know try to get past this

1789
01:16:55,390 --> 01:16:54,139
name-calling thing and try to have some

1790
01:16:58,270 --> 01:16:55,400
kind of resolution rather than just

1791
01:17:00,490 --> 01:16:58,280
fighting well you know that's the other

1792
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:00,500
thing I see about society is that it's

1793
01:17:05,260 --> 01:17:02,449
all faced that you know it's all

1794
01:17:07,689 --> 01:17:05,270
engineered to be competition might again

1795
01:17:11,350 --> 01:17:07,699
I mean what does competition do other

1796
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:11,360
than breed contempt right I mean they

1797
01:17:16,419 --> 01:17:13,850
let me need to that first Republicans

1798
01:17:20,140 --> 01:17:16,429
you know in Miami that's where we should

1799
01:17:20,979 --> 01:17:20,150
be fighting against this division and

1800
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:20,989
Society

1801
01:17:26,620 --> 01:17:23,449
yeah obviously very kind of problem now

1802
01:17:30,870 --> 01:17:26,630
with the with politics right good a

1803
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:30,880
people I mean open Trump's mad IMDb

1804
01:17:36,729 --> 01:17:35,090
he's spending hundreds of TV shows and

1805
01:17:39,550 --> 01:17:36,739
I'm not talking about The Apprentice you

1806
01:17:41,859 --> 01:17:39,560
know right hobby Lister how does a real

1807
01:17:43,750 --> 01:17:41,869
estate developer all of a sudden become

1808
01:17:46,510 --> 01:17:43,760
this celebrity and you know it's just

1809
01:17:48,020 --> 01:17:46,520
any look as the program he was like

1810
01:17:50,300 --> 01:17:48,030
groomed

1811
01:17:51,770 --> 01:17:50,310
oh yeah thought yeah top there's an

1812
01:17:54,530 --> 01:17:51,780
article I saw and I don't want to get

1813
01:17:57,410 --> 01:17:54,540
too much into this because not I think

1814
01:17:58,910 --> 01:17:57,420
people are special II conspiracy

1815
01:18:02,360 --> 01:17:58,920
theorists quote-unquote are quick to

1816
01:18:05,870 --> 01:18:02,370
blame the Jews and I think they're the

1817
01:18:07,820 --> 01:18:05,880
base of this I think that Jesuits okay

1818
01:18:10,100 --> 01:18:07,830
they like money and they put them in

1819
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:10,110
these power where they look like you

1820
01:18:14,990 --> 01:18:11,610
know the other ones at fault so the real

1821
01:18:18,350 --> 01:18:15,000
culprits are you say the Jews of the

1822
01:18:22,790 --> 01:18:18,360
paksas set up by the Jesuits well in

1823
01:18:25,670 --> 01:18:22,800
patsies you know yeah he was eight years

1824
01:18:27,530 --> 01:18:25,680
an article by Jewish insider eighteen of

1825
01:18:29,150 --> 01:18:27,540
the top 20 Manhattan real estate

1826
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:29,160
developers are Jewish

1827
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:32,130
now there's it aren't Trump some other

1828
01:18:37,910 --> 01:18:35,970
guy Trump's number four in wealth you

1829
01:18:40,340 --> 01:18:37,920
know hot as soon as six dollars Hawk

1830
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:40,350
steak and wine that makes no sense to me

1831
01:18:42,620 --> 01:18:42,330
so I don't believe he has that kind of

1832
01:18:47,780 --> 01:18:42,630
wealth

1833
01:18:51,140 --> 01:18:47,790
Regan with but so so he's in he's put in

1834
01:18:52,730 --> 01:18:51,150
here you have that lockdown doesn't

1835
01:18:54,350 --> 01:18:52,740
matter what do it could be Christians it

1836
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:54,360
could be you know it could be any race

1837
01:19:00,200 --> 01:18:56,610
there's gonna be an inherent bias when

1838
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:00,210
you have that much control of it well

1839
01:19:04,670 --> 01:19:02,250
that's a very interesting perspective

1840
01:19:07,070 --> 01:19:04,680
and I think I'm gonna I'm gonna end it

1841
01:19:08,570 --> 01:19:07,080
there because it's you know we could we

1842
01:19:09,770 --> 01:19:08,580
keep on talking for hours because

1843
01:19:12,410 --> 01:19:09,780
there's so many different topics we

1844
01:19:14,540 --> 01:19:12,420
could talk about yeah may do you know

1845
01:19:16,070 --> 01:19:14,550
and like I said I do disagree with what

1846
01:19:18,530 --> 01:19:16,080
you're saying but you know you're still

1847
01:19:19,670 --> 01:19:18,540
it's still a person and I think it's

1848
01:19:22,340 --> 01:19:19,680
good to be able to make a connection

1849
01:19:23,540 --> 01:19:22,350
with people because you know you can

1850
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:23,550
always find some common ground with

1851
01:19:28,010 --> 01:19:25,650
people so yeah thank you thank you very

1852
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:28,020
much for coming on you are inviting me

1853
01:19:32,590 --> 01:19:31,050
to come on your show I appreciate it